RFK Jr.

Because money. Not any other reason. The world just proved that it can scale up for production based on early phase results if the incentive is there amd/or someone else is footing the bill. Further, for past vaccines we did not have the technology at our disposal that we do right now. Never before have we fully mapped a viral genome in 18 days. Never.

We get it though, scientific illiteracy makes the normal human reaction of "being scared of what you cannot understand" amplified exponentially. Compound that with money making charlatans and spot light seeking liars like Lapado, Makary, Rogan, Kennedy, Americans Frontline Criminals, etc...and the illiterate are so willing to be manipulated. It is sad really that so many people unabashedly put their ignorance on display for the whole world to see during this pandemic.

The majority of the manipulated masses would have benefitted greatly from following the old wisdom : "It is better to sit in silence and allow others to think you a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

 

I wonder what it is about vaccines that people are especially prone to disinformation / ignorance and also have an extreme attachment to it. For the most part you don’t see it with medicines, which often have a far greater side effect profile and lower efficacy rate. But with vaccines otherwise intelligent people are bound and determined to not have their ignorant preconceived notions challenged. You certainly see it with some posters here, but you are seeing it in the billionaire tech bros community too.

 

Do you think RNA and mRNA are real? I'm curio

Not saying it’s a big reason but some people don’t like needles or giving blood, as examples. Someone joked that if the vaccine were inside a gummy or a chocolate, far fewer people would object.

 

^ You’re not far from the kingdom. Healthcare may be America’s leading killer. Americans pay a terrible price for being the most medicated country in the world.

 

The whole concept is under consideration …

DNA discovery, extraction and structure. A critical review

 

They are an easy target. If you get a sinus infection, you go to the doctor, get a z-pack or other broad spectrum anti-biotic and a few days later you feel better. Boom, people believe that they saw a result, whether it was the antibiotic or not.

Get vaccinated, however, and you still get infected. You do not necessarily get sick, almost never severely sick and more rarely die, however, infected none the less. Most Americans are too scientifically illiterate to understand vaccines are not some magic shield against infection, but rather target severe disease and death. That ignorance was used first by the pro-vaxx group this time to sell people on the 90+% efficacy (and not telling the whole truth that humoral immunity is fleeting). That ignorance was then prayed upon again by the anti-vaxx groups who said "look, you were lied to". This "vaccine" did not work, see people still became sick. They fail to mention that people get infected by things like polio, but it presents as a mild cold because you are vaccinated and you never know. People still get infected with measles each year despite MMR being wildly successful, but cases of severe disease are so rare most of the masses think that they are totally bullet proof from infection, which just is not true.

Enter the Republi-bans, needing more ways to control their already intellectually suspect masses and BAM. Anti-Vaxx is a perfect vehicle, with the table set by the Dems and public health officials who did not tell the truth about the vaccines from the beginning because too few would get them (see the Flu vaccine uptake each year). Easy pickings.

 

I’d certainly put myself in the ignorant masses in terms of how they worked. I thought vaccines block infection and once enough were vaccinated you had herd immunity. While I had heard of antibodies and T cells I had no clue how those and other cells worked as they related to vaccines and diseases. I guess I never really contemplated exactly why flu shots had lower efficacy.

Now that I understand at least a little more, I have wondered about what you said above. When public health officials early on talked about the disease, how much did they fully understand the difference in antibody response vs longer term response? Did they just avoid it for message simplicity or did some really not give it much thought? I have to believe they understood but just didn’t want to water down the message. Also, a lot of the time the media is the filter, and we get most of our info from the media so most in the media had no clue which perpetuated the misunderstanding.

What I find odd though is the lack of curiosity among many. On issues such as this, I’d rather be right in terms of having the right information, than trying to convince everybody my wrong information is right. If evidence shows I’m flat out wrong on something I’m typically not going to double down on it.

 

Any public health official who had a medical degree or virology background or immunology background knew without being told. Everyone else was told in the studeis done by Pfizer and Moderna. People simply opted to ignore that in the "hopes" that they could get a vast majority of Americans vaccinated before antibodies started to wain. Also, if you recall, early on people believed that the virus would not change much or very often. As the virus started to find fitness advantages and started evading antibodies, their worst nightmare of messaging unfolded in front of them.

 

Weird how you pick and choose when to believe mass media and what to believe. In Sept 2020, CNN was still attacking everything the Trump administration did left and right and tried to use a potential EUA from Trump's FDA to make Trump look bad. As it turned out, large scale trials were completed using 30,000 participants in one case and nearly 60,000 in the other. However, neither Pfizer nor Moderna waited until the trials were over to start putting capacity in place for volume production. They made risk decisions based largely on the fact that US taxpayers would help make them whole in the event that anything went wrong during the trials.

Again, I get that you do not understand that, but under normal circumstances, no company is going to mobilize a global manufacturing effort while trias are still on-going. Money.

 

So, you just answered your own question from above. You are terrible at discussion and making an argument and cannot even keep your conspiracy garbage straight.

Meanwhile....for one thing, technology is constantly improving. Despite the outdated link provided above from Hopkins, almost no recently approved vaccine has taken 10 years to bring to market. The most recent other than COVID is the Ebola vaccine being used in Africa that took 3 years total to get from concept to emergency use authorization. In achieved full authorization in less than 5. Again, the longest pole in the tent was the nearly 3 years spent bringing up production capacity and having the production facilities certified. Had all of those funds been available during pre-clinical trials, the entire process could have been reduced to 2 years total.

 

I would say with the Covid vaccines that how they were rolled out and how the government tried to force them on people played a big part.

You can't threaten someone's livelihood, family and religious beliefs and then expect happy willful compliance.

I'm willing to bet that if receiving those government covid checks were dependent on whether or not an individual was fully vaccinated or not, under the premise of "do your part, help save your country"......then a lot more people would've lined up for the vaccine....with smiles on their faces....but the left generally prefers the stick instead of the carrot.

 

Have you ever had a flu shot?

 

Stop calling RFK Jr a nutcase. He believes the same things you do. He just likes one less vaccine than you do …

Why is Robert F. Kennedy Jr. running from the missing virus problem?

 

I couldn't open your link (the issue may be on my end), but I'm not sure if your first point is accurate. I think I'd raised this question prior to watching his long interview with Maher. I heard him say he'd been vaccinated three times for measles there, too. I didn't recall him saying whether he thought that was a good vaccine or not, but this article suggests he doesn't like that one either.

People can and should debate the liberty interests and tradeoffs of mandating vaccines, opt outs, etc. But I don't think it's fair to characterize him as liking all vaccines but one. I can't even find an instance of him ever "liking" any vaccine that has ever been created anywhere at any time. Maybe this is why you think it could be that he actually agrees with you and is being disingenuous.

RFK Jr. Spouts His Insane Anti-Vaxxer Conspiracy Theory in Measles Hot Zone

“The cure for most measles is Vitamin A. We do not know the risk profile of MMR [measles, mumps, rubella] vaccines. That is deliberate,” he said. “The MMR vaccine act was passed in 1986 in a gold rush of removing liability from those [vaccine] companies. No matter how egregious, they can’t be sued. I got three vaccinations. I have seven children with 72 mandatory vaccinations.”

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“ADD, ADHD, speech delay, autism, food allergy, autoimmune diseases,” he went on. “Prior to 1986, 12 percent of kids in this country had chronic disease. Today it’s 54 percent.”

 

I was being droll. It’s a version of the old

This is me being droll, my version of “atheists believe in one less God.” The article centers on RFK Jr’s disingenuous response to Christine Massey’s now well over 220 returned FOIA’s revealing no sample anywhere of SARS-Cov2, thus pointing to dark and inhumane government actions based on a figment. From the article …


This is now a matter of intent: governments knew or should have known they had no scientific evidence of a virus, yet they seized power and acted on society anyway — granting themselves every kind of legal indemnity and immunity to avoid personal legal liability for their actions.

What occurred in 2020 was not, in Mr. Kennedy’s aching words, “a mismanaged pandemic.” All of the mitigation measures are now demonstrably deliberate, unnecessary acts that harmed nearly everyone, and killed many.

Based on the government’s admission of foreknowledge, the matter should go straight to the prosecutors and the federal grand jury. I am sure Mr. Kennedy’s father, Robert Sr., who served as Attorney General of the United States, would have been infuriated by this disclosure.

After he’d had a scotch and cooled off, I imagine he would have personally started drafting a criminal indictment against the officials who defrauded the public, the press and the rest of the government (including the President) by making and acting on a false claim, causing incalculable loss to the nation and the world.

Today, the younger Kennedy is concealing the crimes and deceptions of the United States government. Yet he says he is on the side of the people and the truth.

 

Oh, yes, I noticed what you did there!

 

The reason I keep harping on the existential question is that nothing short of acknowledging that viruses DO NOT EXIST will prevent the sort of tyranny that took root in 2020. Case in point …

In the UK, the much-ballyhooed Covid Inquiry seems increasingly to point to the conclusion that the government’s cardinal error was not locking down soon enough and hard enough.

Even if RFK Jr became president, I wonder whether he’d have the resources to resist a tyrannical response to the next ‘pandemic.’ We know that Trump didn’t want to lock down, but was snowed under by more powerful forces than he.

I may be naive. I’m sure I am. But it is a belief ( germ theory) that needs to be eroded.