RFK Jr.

There is not specific assertion because when you are making cr@p up, you cannot get pinned down on details or your fraudelence will be identified immediately.

The Cleveland Clinic pre-print that was referenced above was garbage and even the author admitted a) that was not the point of the study and b) they merely GUESSED at potential explanations for the data appearing as it did. They did no further investigation to try and understand why observational data was at odds with mechanistic immunology.

In other words, the anti-vaxxers took a "wild ass hypothesis that immunology does not support" and ran with it.

 

ok thanks. They must be referring to this.

Vaccine study that has people worried is being misinterpreted

 

But most of the post vaccine rollout deaths, which happened during the Delta wave, were among the unvaccinated. How is the vaccine deemed shitty when you don’t even take it?

 

Good god man. You struggle with numbers.


Most of the absolute number of deaths, post vaccination rollout, were in the Delta wave July-Nov 2021. A vast majority of those were unvaccinated.

Your numbers are shares, and as total deaths decreased, by a lot, and the percent vaccinated increased, of course the total share of those deaths will be vaccinated.

This is basic math man.

United States: COVID-19 weekly death rate by vaccination status



Unvaccinated Texans make up vast majority of COVID-19 cases and deaths this year, new state data shows


COVID-19 Incidence and Death Rates Among Unvaccinated ...

 

That doesn’t help him in a democratic primary a lot if half of your favorability is among republicans.

 

So sourcing is bad?

I’ll stop insulting your intelligence when you demonstrate that you are intellegent enough to understand hundreds of thousands of deaths post vaccine roll out were among those who were unvaccinated. I’m not sure how a vaccine can be a failure when half the country was refusing to get vaccinated.

Who wasn’t supposed to die? The vaccinated died at a much lower rate than the unvaccinated. That is what is supposed to happen.

You clearly don’t understand what vaccines are supposed to do and how they work. Having said that, the vaccine did great reduce spread and deaths.

Ok this is really bizarre. You think a vaccine is supposed to stop mutations, when he mutations are primarily coming from around the world among….the unvaccinated? Where are you getting your information from?

Again the only thing you are demonstrating is your lack of understanding of how vaccines and diseases work, and your inability to learn even after facts have been presented to you.

Try reading this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/americans-are-losing-sight-endgame/619916/

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If you read this..study this, and let it soak in, you will finally understand. The difference isn’t the vaccine. The difference is how the disease works.



Shots in arms are much better at preventing disease than preventing infection. After vaccination against any virus, your immune system generates antibodies that can neutralize that virus, but those antibody levels will dropover time. If your antibody levels didn’t drop after every infection or vaccination, your blood would eventually turn into a thick sludge full of antibodies to every pathogen you have ever been exposed to. High neutralizing-antibody levels soon after vaccination are predictive of high vaccine effectiveness. But when those levels inevitably fall, you still have protection against severe disease.

That’s because vaccination also spurs your immune system to make memory cells, which rev up antibody production if you’re later exposed to that virus again. After vaccination, though, your immune system’s memory needs three to five days to kick in. Vaccines are most effective at preventing infection with viruses that have a long incubation period, such as measles and smallpox; the immune system’s memory kicks in before the virus can fully establish itself in your body. But some invaders, such as influenza and the coronavirus, have a shorter incubation period, so vaccines are less likely to entirely block infection. In other words, the virus can still enter your nose and throat and start replicating.

But vaccines also stimulate branches of the immune system, including T cells, that don’t prevent infection but are important in controlling disease. This results in a shorter duration of infection and possibly lower amounts of infectious virus in the body, which in turn translates into milder disease and possibly less transmission. (When doctors and scientists talk about “mild” COVID-19, they mean that the coronavirus isn’t wreaking havoc in your lungs, causing your oxygen levels to plummet, and endangering your life. You may still feel really sick, but you can recover safely in your own bed.)

 

That’s your response? I literally gave you the keys to the kingdom up there. If you understand that, you are ahead of 95% or more of the public that has opinions on vaccines.

This is the author


CÉLINE GOUNDER

Céline Gounder, an infectious-disease physician, is a senior fellow at the Kaiser Family Foundation and the editor at large of Kaiser Health News. She is also the host of the podcast Epidemic.

 

Here. I’ll give it to you one more time. The keys to the kingdom.



Shots in arms are much better at preventing disease than preventing infection. After vaccination against any virus, your immune system generates antibodies that can neutralize that virus, but those antibody levels will dropover time. If your antibody levels didn’t drop after every infection or vaccination, your blood would eventually turn into a thick sludge full of antibodies to every pathogen you have ever been exposed to. High neutralizing-antibody levels soon after vaccination are predictive of high vaccine effectiveness. But when those levels inevitably fall, you still have protection against severe disease.

That’s because vaccination also spurs your immune system to make memory cells, which rev up antibody production if you’re later exposed to that virus again. After vaccination, though, your immune system’s memory needs three to five days to kick in. Vaccines are mosteffective at preventing infection with viruses that have a long incubation period, such as measles andsmallpox; the immune system’smemory kicks in before the virus can fully establish itself in your body. But some invaders, such as influenza and the coronavirus, have a shorter incubation period, so vaccines are less likely to entirely block infection.In other words, the virus can still enter your nose and throat and start replicating.

But vaccines also stimulate branches of the immune system, including T cells, that don’t prevent infection but are important in controlling disease. This results in a shorter duration of infection and possibly lower amounts of infectious virus in the body, which in turn translates into milder disease and possibly less transmission. (When doctors andscientists talk about “mild” COVID-19, they mean that the coronavirus isn’t wreaking havoc in your lungs, causing your oxygen levels to plummet, and endangering your life. You may still feel really sick, but you can recover safely in your own bed.)

 

Did you know (I’m guessing you didn’t ) that the delta variant originated in India, in late 2020, before the vaccine was even rolled out? And Omicron from South Africa , where most people were unvaccinated.

please explain to me how lack of testing of Covid vaccine caused that?

 

What about the polio vaccine? Is it a dogshit vaccine?

The Salk vaccine was declared 90% effective against Types II and III poliovirus and 60 to 70% effective against Type I.

wo doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against paralytic polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.

 

Why 5 years?

 

So why do you have an opinion on the need for 5 years if you don’t even know why it’s 5 years (if it is in fact, 5 years )

Every known significant side effect of a vaccine has happened within 60-90 days of the vaccine, at the most. Usually within a couple of weeks. Waiting for 5 years, if you have a demonstrated efficacy of a life saving vaccine, would be just stupid. You’d be looking at millions needlessly dying.

Most drugs are used on a recurring or ongoing basis. A vaccine is a shot, or a series of shots. The ingredients of the vaccine pass through your body quickly. Side effects are usually a function of the immune response of the body. There has never been, or a theoretical basis for there to be, some sort of unknown side effect years after injection.