As a general rule I don't think transgender persons who have gone through a male puberty should be able to compete as women. That being said whether or not they should be allowed to compete and under what conditions should be left to the bodies governing the specific sports not politicians.
Well, men do have advantages over women. That is a fact. And we have so many instances now of trans women winning against females in many different sports. Off the top of my head we have had Trans women winning events in swimming, cycling, track and field, volleyball, weightlifting, golf and MMA that I have seen. I'm cool with having an "open" division for trans athletes, but having them compete against women isn't right. If you think otherwise state why.
What percentage of total events in those sports would you say trans athletes won versus what percentage of the competitors were trans? How about we let the experts in a particular sport, their governing body, handle these questions? They clearly have more information and knowledge about their own sport than either of us.
No idea. If you are interested in that data, go do a deep dive. But your "distance" theory doesn't seem to hold water when it comes to cycling. Multiple trans cyclists have won races. I can post them if you'd like.
Okay, then let the cycling board examine that information and put it into context and make a decision. Simple and doesn't require intervention of any non-cycling experts. That is the type of deep dive that should be done by governing boards, rather than having government or people that follow certain Twitter accounts make these sorts of calls.
So it's all on the cycling board? Got it. Sounds brilliant. Of course some governing bodies have banned Trans women from competing in different sports. Since some don't you are cool with it I guess. Simple question. You for or against trans women competing in sports. British cycling federation bars transgender women from competing in female category World swimming bans transgender athletes from women's events Science | AAAS
Yes. It is the sport that they govern. Why wouldn't the governing board of a sport be in charge of a question of eligibility and competition in...their sport? Yes, some boards have and I am okay with it when they do. It is their decision based upon the competitive situation in their own sport. Which they know. Better than you or I or randos on Twitter.
So you skirted the question. Are you for Trans women competing against females? Yes or no. Not a hard question to answer.
Actually it is, because the answer might be different in different sports if you aren't just looking for extreme HOT TAKES. Which is why I say leave it up to the governing board to determine what is best in the sport and I will generally accept that, as I am not a world renowned expert on weightlifting, cycling, swimming, etc. Now let me ask you, are you an expert with years of experience governing any or all of those sports?
So for the record your answer is you will listen to whatever a governing body says. So in cycling trans women are barred in the UK, but not in other countries. So you have 2 different answers. What is your position on that? So you like to argue one side but when it comes to saying you are for it you won't come out and say it. So later you can say "I wasn't for Trans athletes competing" LOL. Must be nice to play Heads I win, Tails you lose. Can't lose an argument that way I guess...
And when is supporting females against Trans women an "extreme HOT TAKE"? It's the same view as 70% of the country.
My position on that is that rules differ at times and different boards may interpret the same information in different ways. My job is not to decide whether the British or American board on cycling is correct, as I lack the background in competitive cycling to add anything of value to that debate beyond what those boards have in terms of expertise. That sort of thing seems like the job of the International Cycling Union. Yes, it is just awful when somebody doesn't have to HOT TAKE every issue and just says "You know what, I trust the sport's experts above some guy with a really strong opinion on the Internet." Not everything in the world should be handled like Skip Bayless trying to yell louder and have a hotter take in some sort of effort to dominate everybody else at talking, or whatever the goal of that sort of person is.
Okay, I guess we need to ban trans people from auto racing as well. I mean sure, there have been both male and female drivers competing against each other for years, but everything has to be all or nothing (which is why it is a hot take), so trans people need to be banned from that sport as well. HOT TAKE!
So 70% of the population thinks it's not ok for trans women to compete with females but you are still insisting it's an "extreme HOT TAKE". I'm good with a 3rd category for trans athletes. Simple as that. Not saying they should be banned, only have their own category, like men and women's sports. I guess that makes my opinion a HOT TAKE...
I didn't say I didn't care. Perhaps you could point out where I said I didn't care (or apologize for lying about me and what I said, again). I simply said that I don't have the expertise to tell boards what they should do in their own sports. Now, let me ask you again, what is your expertise in competitive cycling, which has enabled you to feel comfortable doing so?
Do you think every sport is exactly the same or should be governed, in general, with exactly the same rules?
I ride in a weekly group of cyclists. I follow cycling and have for decades. Thanks for inquiring. So you have no opinion on something you keep commenting on. Interesting way of not having an opinion. Sure seems like you are for trans athletes competing if approved. So you are in the 30%. Got it.
