On top of that, I don't even read into it that he did it to please his dad, but to be with him. I don't know thst for sure, just going off what my wife read to me, but I feel no compulsion to assume anything wrong about the kid. All I do know, is that a 19 yo kid lost his life, and what I glean from that, is a whole lot of life that won't be lived. .
I enjoy humor. I frequent the funny thread pegged to the top prolly more than 90% of the board. I've prolly dolled out more funny ratings than anyone on here (>28,000 last time I checked), and 99% of those are sincere, not mocking . My threshold of humor is whorishly loose. ...and I haven't found the humor here, funny. And yet again, that's just me. Fwiw.
Yes. And I was a son. So I’ve been on both sides of the issue. If the father in this case had encouraged his son without risking his own person, then I would take your point. In my opinion, the father felt the adventure was safe or he wouldn’t have risked it. A terrible tragedy occurred, no doubt. But it wasn’t an experimental journey. This trip has been made many times without incident since the 1980s. There was good reason to believe he and his son were safely going to have an experience that few people on the planet ever would. I don’t fault the people for wanting to do it, any of them. I hope we learn exactly what went wrong and are able to take more precautions in the future. I’m glad, for instance, that the first plane crash did not strangle aviation in its cradle.
The sudden impact of 6000 psi will completely rupture the sack-of-mostly-water that is the human body. It's also about 3-4x what would break bone - the skeletal structure would be pulverized. There is no body to float to the surface after a loss of hull integrity at this depth. I hate being "that guy", but let's here's the science. Imagine if you took an aluminum can, filled it with jello, laid on it's side, and compacted it under a 35-ton industrial press. That's the near-incomprehensible level of forces we're dealing with here.
Some people would be very disappointed if they knew how many morbid jokes are made by ems, fire, police, nurses etc. Now social media has given a public platform that can be read by people who were affected by various tragedies but there is no purpose in policing humor in my opinion. Social media has distanced people emotionally while also facilitating the most direct communication to strangers involved in high profile situations. As morbid as my own humor can be I don't enjoy the fact that people are so callous when those affected can see what people say but people need to understand today's world and avoid social media altogether in times like these.
Those in the know are really hammering Stockton Rush and Ocean Gate. This isn't just the usual Monday morning quarterbacking. 'I knew Titanic submarine imploded on Monday and rescue was a 'charade', says James Cameron - YouTube
Laughter also releases stress reducing chemicals as well as a releases tension. I understand people on both sides of the issue. My wife gives me looks all the time with borderline inappropriately timed jokes.
Lighten up Frances… Disagree on the good reason part. Several people did due diligence and walk away. As a sailor I can tell you I’d never go to great depths in a CF vessel (to be fair I’d never go period). I believe Titan made less than 50 dives since 2021. And all kinds of alarm bells were being rung internally and externally. Today I heard that the owner had bragged about scoring a bunch of aviation grade CF at a deep discount because the material was out of date by aviation standards. He was cutting corners where ever he could. Other than the French submariner the passengers did not fully understand the risk they were taking.
I heard on a radio talk show that the liability waiver they signed mentioned the possibility of death multiple times in the first few paragraphs. Even though they were warned they likely did not understand the real potential for catastrophic failure.
As Some of you know what these deep see submersibles are usually made of it's incredible that someone would trust making a deep sea submarines out of carbon and epoxy glue. The Bathyscaphe Trieste from the '60's was made of 5 inch think steal... the Newest deep sea submersibles are made of 4 inch think Titanium. I cannot believe some one tried going down 13,000 feet in a carbon fiber/EPOXY, with some Titanium, submarine. That is nuts... even for a Titanium submarine it's risky. Trieste (bathyscaphe) - Wikipedia Victor Vescovo: Adventurer reaches deepest ocean locations
I imagine the CEO reassured his customers that the waiver was all liability BS and the sub was safe as evidenced by his own personal prior excursions and current attendance.
Good advice. Heard a few fire rescue zingers while on the FD and a few others from investigating fire deaths. Zingers from paramedics, firefighters, and investigators during certain calls were common.
My brother in law retired from the fire department used to talk about these deaths, but never in a disrespectful way. then after about 5 or 6 years into his career he stopped talking about these deaths. He knew that it felt disrespectful to the families even talking about it. We never asked and he never told us at those first few years.
Precisely my point. The father believed what he and his son were doing was safe. Even so, it took courage to get in that submersible. Courage that, like yourself it sounds, I don’t have, at least not just to see something I can see a video feed of. I’ve spent a week on a submarine in college as part of the mandatory training in ROTC. No, thank you. And God bless those who can make a career knowing they’re surrounded by that crushing pressure.
I mean, I’m sure they understood in an academic sense, just like people who ride rollercoasters, or bungee jump, or go skydiving understand that accidents happen all of the time. But they surely thought, as we all do, that those are things that happen to other people.
