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RFK Jr.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Jun 20, 2023.

  1. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    no.
     
  2. duggers_dad

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  3. GatorRade

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    Cool. This gives us something to work with. I’m not a vaccine or autism expert, but I’d be happy to look over a couple of these. Unfortunately, I don’t seem to see this list of abstracts. From my view, the post just kind of ends with this part: “impairment of the opioid system, cellular apoptosis, endocrine dysfunction, and other disorders.”

    Am I missing it?
     
  4. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

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    I think that’s just the subject intro and you have to scroll through the pages ?
     
  5. okeechobee

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    LOL, those findings are from the Chinese CDC, who strangely buried those findings for 3+ years, which is why this information has not been included in any peer reviewed journals. And then there is this...

    "After scientists in the group contacted the China CDC, they say, the sequences were pulled from the global virus database."

    If you want to trust the Chicoms for your scientific data, be my guest, but I would summarily discredit any data released by China like this that had been sat on for 3+ years. Naturally, they don't want this virus to be tied to a lab leak in Wuhan.

    New COVID origins study links pandemic's beginning to animals, not a lab
     
  6. duggers_dad

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    Theory on lab leak: somebody forgot to close the back door after Uber Eats delivered.
     
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  7. okeechobee

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    Yes, AFTER Covid-19 had been proliferated worldwide by humans, it was found in animals. But the virus began in Wuhan, China, which is an urban center of 11+ million people (ie not a lot of deer walking around the streets). I was referring to animals that host the virus that could have leapt to humans at the time of outbreak. The Chinese claim they have data from 2019 about raccoon dogs, but they strangely buried this data for 3 years without revealing it to the world. If you believe anything coming out of China or the WHO about this virus, you deserve to be lied to.
     
  8. duggers_dad

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    Looking back: the vast majority was content (and is still content) with being lied to. At least RFK Jr. has had a partial awakening.
     
  9. okeechobee

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    Also, do you believe the FBI, who operates under the DOJ with a Democrat attorney general, has anything to gain politically or monetarily by declaring it was a lab leak? It is only the institutions which have a need for political or monetary backing that are dismissing the lab leak out of hand.
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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    Politicians, media and public health officials like Fauci, Birx, Wallensky, et.al., love lab leak theory.
     
  11. l_boy

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    The FBI assessment is “low confidence”. There are multiple other US agencies they deem it likely from natural origins, also low confidence. The DIA group that is closest to such issues hasn’t taken a position either way.

    U.S. Intelligence Agencies May Never Find Covid’s Origins, Officials Say

    Inquiries during the Trump and Biden administrations have yielded no definitive answers. The Energy Department and the F.B.I. favored the theory that a laboratory leak may have caused the pandemic. Five intelligence bodies considered theories of natural transmission — that the coronavirus developed naturally and was transferred to humans at an animal market or other location — more likely. But the C.I.A., the nation’s leading spy agency, would not make an assessment with even a low level of confidence.
     
  12. duggers_dad

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    Characterizing the debate: did the Unicorn emerge from the forest or did it jump the fence at the compound ?
     
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  13. okeechobee

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    Moderate confidence. For context, here's what Wray actually said:

    "The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan," Wray said.

    The assessment is not new. The bureau previously concluded with moderate confidence that COVID first emerged accidentally from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which worked on coronaviruses.

    Wray continues: "I will just make the observation that the Chinese government seems to me has been doing its best to try to thwart and obfuscate the work here ... and that's unfortunate for everybody."

    https: //www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1160214557/fbi-covid-origins-investigation-wray

    And again, you've not given any ulterior motive an agency like the FBI would have to say this about a Chinese research lab.
     
  14. duggers_dad

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    It originated in Wuhan …

    "After scientists in the group contacted the China CDC, they say, the sequences were pulled from the global virus database."

    Translation: neither natural nor man made but rather a computer construct.
     
  15. dangolegators

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    Your statement was very clear:

    "Find a single animal (other than humans) that's been infected with COVID. That's a pretty simple task. They don't exist."

    I don't know how you come back after that statement and say you were 'referring to animals that host the virus that could have leapt to humans at the time of outbreak'.
     
  16. duggers_dad

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    An animal cannot spread to a human something that does not exist. Neither can scientists make deadlier something that does not exist.
     
  17. l_boy

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    So why just the FBI? What about the other agencies that say something different. First you say don’t trust the FBI and on this issue you do? What specific information does the FBI have on a lab leak in China?

    The difference could be the FBI and intelligence agencies may subscribe motives based upon actions. Some people look at China’s lack of cooperation as evidence of motive of hiding a lab leak. But the fact that they don’t cooperate isn’t direct evidence per se. They often don’t cooperate for different reasons. That’s the way they roll. It is just as plausible that they haven’t cooperated because a Wuhan wet market origin makes them look bad too. Possibly worse, as they had outlawed it, then when pictures were presented with evidence that animals were at wet market China’s response was pictures were fabricated. So clearly they don’t want to admit live animals at wet market.

    Your pattern is to cherry pick whatever information affirms your point of view and ignore and discredit the rest.
     
  18. duggers_dad

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    China fabricated.

    As did the rest of the world.
     
  19. mrhansduck

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    The whole world conspired to lie about a fake (non-existent) virus? To what end in your view?
     
  20. duggers_dad

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    I prefer: acting out of ignorance in concert. The logical implications of germ theory amplified. The earnest fear that humanity could render itself extent through breathing on each other.