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The U.S. sex reassignment surgery market size

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by studegator, Jun 20, 2023.

  1. Spurffelbow833

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    So is stupidity.
     
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  2. pkaib01

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    Don't insult him.
     
  3. okeechobee

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    Why would that freak some women out?
     
  4. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    Because he’s looks like a guy.
     
  5. okeechobee

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    So a man could, in theory, dress up like a woman and as long as the other women in the restroom don’t notice, we’re good? Can peeping Toms use that defense too? “Hey, the woman didn’t notice I was watching her, so I did nothing wrong.”
     
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  6. mdgator05

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    I mean, if nobody noticed, probably. Why wouldn't we be good in that circumstance? And, no, people of either gender are not allowed to spy on people of either gender in the bathroom.
     
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  7. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    I'm not sure where you're getting this. I said this person was born a girl. I'm not sure what surgery he may or may not have had, but he's lives as a man. Dresses as a man, has a beard, looks like a man. From what I know, he's treated like a man. So I said he shouldn't use a women's restroom because people would think a man was walking in.
    What exactly are you disagreeing with?
     
  8. okeechobee

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    Do you think biological males should be able to enter a woman’s restroom so long as he looks sufficiently “womanly” enough?
     
  9. Spurffelbow833

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    If there are urinals in there, yes. If not, no.
     
  10. l_boy

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    You may not have seen it but I have multiple times posted about my kids and mental health issues and that includes many different medicines and some of them off label. Yes I know what it means, and sometimes off label use of meds do work.

    Mental illness, which includes gender dysphoria, is very complex and difficult. Often your choices are not attractive. Until you’ve experienced it you just can’t understand it. Going in, before these issues, and didn’t know anything, I had strong feelings like you about meds. Like most things, the more you know, the more complex it gets. People who know little think they know the most - because they have no idea of what they don’t know.

    l’d have reservations about giving a kid hormone therapy, but after how many suicide attempts do you consider it? That seems like hyperbole but for parents of kids with mental health issues it isn’t.
     
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  11. studegator

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    Dem Expert Witness Couldn’t Cite Evidence of Benefits of Trans Procedures for Children
    McNamara, clearly hoping to corner Crenshaw, asked “Sir, are you aware of how the quality evidence grading system works and how it’s applied?”
    “Yeah. Yeah, we read through it; that’s why I’m citing these journals,” he said before turning the tables on her. “So which journal says something different? We should have that debate. Tell me a journal that has done systematic reviews that cites different evidence that cites strong evidence for benefits of these therapies.”
    McNamara then tried to tout the standards of care, but despite repeated requests for her to cite any journal or study that concludes transgender procedures are beneficial for kids, she couldn’t do it.
    “The standards of care — that’s not a journal, that’s not a study, that’s not an organization, that’s not an institution. You’re just saying words,” Crenshaw said. “Name one study.”
     
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  12. gator_lawyer

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    She tried to explain to him how they establish standards of care, and he cut her off. It's unsurprising that would happen. These Congressional hearings are about political theater, not real factfinding.

    Also, your source is lying. He didn't just ask for evidence that gender-affirming care is beneficial. He demanded a very specific type of study (systematic review) that dealt with a very specific subject matter (hormones, surgeries, or puberty blockers). The idea that she has to remember such a specific study off the top of her head or none exists is the sort of idiocy that these politicians play to.

    End of the day, Crenshaw talked over the expert when she tried to explain how these things work because he wanted a soundbite. He was playing to his choir. And his choir unsurprisingly lapped it up. But if you want a systematic review that discusses the benefits of gender-affirming care, I am happy to provide one:
    A systematic review of psychosocial functioning changes after gender-affirming hormone therapy among transgender people | Nature Human Behaviour
    "The most consistent evidence across qualitative and quantitative studies, both cross-sectional and prospective cohorts, is that gender-affirming hormone therapy reduces depressive symptoms and psychological distress, consistent with results of previous systematic reviews."

    Now that I've proven Dan Crenshaw wrong, what do I win?
     
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  13. slayerxing

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    Asking someone to name a study like that on the spot is tough. Give that same expert 2 minutes to pull up their personal catalog of read journals and they could respond better. I'm surprised they didn't come more prepared but that being said, I read a few journal articles a week in my discipline and adjacent areas. Over the past 3 years I've probably read over 500 easy. If you asked me to report what one study said, on the spot, I would struggle unless it was a big seminal work. I might remember it exists, but without being able to pull it up for reference it's not like I could recite it to you. So it's kind of a gotcha. All I had to do was a quick google scholar search and I see a number of papers and reviews on the topic. That person should have been more prepared for that question, but just because they got caught flat footed doesn't mean that papers don't exist.
     
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  14. duggers_dad

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    Standards of Care - euphemism for mass-injury and death.
     
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    Another ban enjoined

     
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  16. okeechobee

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    It's pretty much the standard answer they give on this issue when confronted with direct questions about it. It's always an attempt at a big long speech that had nothing to do with question that was asked.
     
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  17. okeechobee

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    Expert witnesses aren't supposed to have some source reference to back up what they're testifying to? That's literally the reason they are there. Hence, "expert witness." A non-expert witness might be caught flat-footed by a question like that, but an expert witness should probably have at least 2 or 3 they can recall off the top of their head.
     
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  18. studegator

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    New study on ‘rise’ in transgenderism shows it’s a fad, especially among young girls
    But it seems a number of activists today never heeded that warning.
    It’s these adults, now fancying themselves experts in gender medicine and mental health, who are wreaking havoc on an entire generation, encouraging them to follow their feelings, and follow the crowd, even when they’re at risk of permanent and irreparable harm by doing so.
    According to a new study about youth gender dysphoria, there are more teens than ever claiming that their biological sex does not meet their “gender identity” and that they are coming to this conclusion earlier and earlier.
    The study author, Dr. Ching-Fang Sun, is a resident at the Virginia Tech Carilion School of Medicine in Roanoke, and her results, published Monday in the journal General Psychiatry, are shocking:
    • Studying the health records of 42 million people between the ages of 4 to 65, a total of 66,078 had received a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. 80% of those were from the US.
    • But how many confused teens or pre-teens who are gay or simply depressed now get caught up in the transgender marketing that blankets discussion boards and even beer commercials.
      It’s telling that the Virginia Tech study estimated that for every 100,000 people, there are 155 who identify as transgender — with is much, much lower than the 600 out of 100,000 reported in a 2019 study.

      I would posit that it’s even lower than that. There are people who legitimately deal with gender dysphoria, but the “sharp rise” in the past few years has more to do a societal fad rather than finding a vast group that was misdiagnosed in the past.
      And the main reason is that we’re relying on the feelings of children, who are not fully mature nor able to rationally decide what they are.

      The rest of the world is waking up to the dangers of lifelong medicalization of patients with “treatments” like surgery or hormones that inflicts irreversible damage to preteens and teens.

      In England, Tavistock, the world’s largest pediatric gender clinic, was closed in the spring. The Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine (SEGM) explained, “An independent review condemned the clinic as ‘not a safe or viable long-term option’ because its interventions are based on poor evidence and its model of care leaves young people ‘at considerable risk’ of poor mental health.”



     
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  19. pkaib01

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    I am glad to see it.

    Those that ridicule these procedures and treatments are on the wrong side of science, compassion and tolerance. Imagine a political party full of these people.
     
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  20. pkaib01

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    Here's a more objective article on the study, one without the Post's hackneyed conclusions which are unsupported by the evidence.

    More people seeking help for gender dysphoria at younger age - UPI.com

    The study:

    The mean age of gender dysphoria diagnosis is decreasing
     
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