Lock him up! CNN reports Trump to be indicted

Dershowitz is a very smart guy I think he knows that Trump is in deep excrement and is taking his position for the sake of argument. If Trump tries to make the argument that he didn't actually show it he will have to testify. Same with a number of the other arguments Trump has made. Not going to happen, it's a virtually certainty that the Orange One will exercise his right against self-incrimination under the Fifth Amendment. The only really positive outcome for Trump would be his own election or that of another Republican who will pardon Trump or if the case is still pending discontinue the prosecution. If that doesn't happen, he can always hope for a hung jury or alternatively that Judge Aileen Cannon doesn't sentence him to prison if he is found guilty of any of the charges. There is absolutely no way that Trump will be acquitted on all 37 counts.

 

Agree. I was thinking that he would back DeSantis in exchange for a pardon although at this point Trump has so much animosity towards DeSantis for having the temerity to challenge him that there is no way that Trump will back him.

 

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but he wasn't charged with showing the document to anyone, but rather the recording is included in the indictment to demonstrate (1) that he was still in possession of the document, (2) that he knew it was still classified, and (3) that he knew he no longer had the authority to declassify.

 

he seems to have gone of the rails the last 15-20 years. Maybe it was 17

 

Dershowitz is just a trumpist shill who will say whatever he needs to in order to make excuses or suck up to the orange one.

 

The possibilities:

1. He wanted to be paid by the USG to return them like Nixon was.
2. He wanted to sell them to MBS or Putin.
3. The documents helped to ease the narcissistic wound of losing the 2020 election.

 

You don't see that your entire world view has been contorted to fit the singular premise upon which you have pegged Truth?

To wit:

World anchor premise = Orange man bad.

Provided variable: Alan Dershowitz said something not bad about Trump.

Ergo: Dershowitz is FOS.

#TDS

 

More could be coming. This is just speculation but it seems logical. Then again, it may mean nothing in terms of 45

 

More like

Based on facts in the indictment: orange man bad

Dershowitz making legal arguments that don't have anything to do with the charges in the indictment: Dershowitz is FOS and just telling people what they want to hear.

 

Based on the indictment, Orangeman dumb.

...but you illustrate the original point--all analyses from the left, begin with the fundamental premise that: Orangeman Bad.

Hence even the indictment is read to mean Orangeman Bad, when what it really says, is that he's dumb (and may have broken the law).

...and Dershowitz' comments don't have anything to do with the charges, because his concerns have little to do with the outcome of this case, and more to do with the long term effects.

...which resonates with folks who haven't pegged a universal principle of the world (bad) to a single person (DJT) per TDS.

Thank you for your participation.

 

And you demonstrate the typical Trump apologist who even when faced with overwhelming evidence that he's done something very bad like being so reckless with extremely sensitive US secrets the most you can admit is that he did something "dumb."

 

Dershowitz is a piece of shit for many reasons. Every time he opens his mouth or is shown on TV first thing that comes to mind is DBag. You can just tell. But he’s a certifiable Dbag for getting “massages” from underage girls.

 

...and I allowed for possibly, criminal.

Though that's rather problematic (the point AD was making). If you're going after X-POTUS and top opposition candy, the egregiousness of the alleged criminality oughtn't be remotely subject to question.

That's why I posted upthread several times, that I would have let more line out and upped the surveillance, AFTER retrieving the docs he owned having through his attorneys.

His intent vis a vis the docs seems nefarious. But only "seems".

Beyond 'nefarious', all we got really, is careless, perhaps even reckless--over docs he stakes a colorable claim to possess.

...alas we'll never know what his actual intent/designs were, because, ironically, his ability to cross the no-going-back threshold was removed from him by the folks who sought to hang him, before he could do so--leaving what basically amounts to process crimes (and that, only IF the law invoked, is upheld to apply).

Jmho/fwiw.

 

There sure is a sh** ton worth of evidence that orange man = bad than orange man = good so it's a fair assumption.

 

Trump Derangement Syndrome is real only it's Donald Trump himself who is the deranged individual not his critics. Maybe it's just me but considering the overwhelming evidence against him almost any rational person facing Trump's charges would have jumped at the opportunity to negotiate a plea agreement possibly one in which he avoid imprisonment entirely.
Trump rejected his lawyer's effort to propose settlement in classified documents case: Sources
Trump rejected lawyers' efforts to settle classified docs case: report

 

I appreciate you sharing your view although I just can't agree that these are merely process crimes or that he should be given any benefit of the doubt. He blatantly and purposely violated the law, against the advice of his own attorneys, and put sensitive US secrets at very serious risk.

Take Trump's name out of the equation, and if reading about this is in a textbook, it would be completely unfathomable to believe that these are the actions of a former POTUS.

 

If anyone else other than former president were accused of the same crimes as Trump he would have been tried and would have ended up serving time or more likely would have entered into a guilty plea bargain under which he would have plead guilty in exchange for a more lenient sentence.

 

Where ever you got that psychiatry degree failed you miserably. Dershowitz has been a Trump apologist for years. Keep deflecting though if that works for you.

 

Some of the docs Trump had were the highest of classification possible. If in the wrong hands, they absolutely compromise US national security. Really think the DOJ and Intelligence community thought it would be prudent to wait until Trump tried to profit off the docs before arresting him? Heck no. Especially considering Mar-a-Lago was a known place for spies to hang out. The risk was just too high, and anyone else but a former President would've been arrested far sooner, and sitting in Maximum Security.