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The Future of the United States and Western Society

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by cflgator83, Jun 19, 2023.

  1. cflgator83

    cflgator83 All American

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    I actually am working yes. I still have to pay bills. It's a struggle at times.
     
  2. wgbgator

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    Dude, no one in politics represents the working class (at least no one with any power), we have two capitalist parties who serve their wealthy donors
     
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  3. cflgator83

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    If Donald Trump is so establishment then how come the wealthy establishment wants him out of politics so badly?

    One of the things the Trump presidency really showed me was how the two sides really are different sides of the same coin. And how we truly have this unelected 4th branch of Government (the 3 letter agencies) that control so much and essentially have no accountability. It really showed how corrupt the whole Federal Government is and why it needs to be broken up so bad. That's what for the longest time I wanted a U.S. to break up into 5 countries. To get the power out of D.C.

    I'm not saying Donald Trump was going to come to a trailer park establishment in Ocala or Lake City. But he still understood the working class better than any other presidential candidate in modern times. That's why he beat Hilary Clinton, a woman who has nothing but disdain for the working class. Who believe the working class deserved to be nothing more than her servants. He at least tried to connect with us and see what our problems were. No other politician bothers to do this. If another politician would I would be glad to vote for them over Trump or anyone else.
     
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    Or deny you health care, think govt controlled or freeze your bank account, think CBDC...you best get your govt approved mind right or escape, all coming quickly.
     
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  5. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I think you’re mixed up here.
    I genuinely believe many blacks and Hispanics do not assume we’re racist. I have many friends who are such.
    The issues come from high all mighty white liberals do-gooders.
    These guys are the real deal hateful kind.
     
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  6. cflgator83

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    Sadly I completely agree. Social credit scores are coming. Bad social credit score, your life is essentially over.
     
  7. cflgator83

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    That thought isn't lost on me. And it's ironic that as a Conservative I probably have more in common with a lot of Hispanics than I do with a lot of whites. A lot of white people do irritate me with the do-gooder condescending attitudes. Fight for minority rights but then make sure they go back to their gated communities with private security to keep those same minorities out.
     
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    Xanadu exists in our own mind.
     
  9. cflgator83

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    I'll admit guys, and I'm being 100% serious, that I hate that I've become this way. I'm being 100% honest when I say I didn't use to be this way. I didn't use to have this much hate and fear in me.

    And I'll be honest, while some of it was probably always there to some extent, I do think Donald Trump really brought it out full bore. Then I met other people like me and it should spread to consume all of me.
     
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    You’re not the only one trump has done this to. He stokes the fire of hate and fear for his personal gain. It’s interesting the emotion maga-hate prompts in me - for me a lot of disappointment (and anger/frustration) for our country. IMO if we can get thru one more presidential cycle keeping his political ilk out of potus office we might be able to survive. As Georgia with HW showed, it will be close.
     
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  11. cflgator83

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    That is true and yet part of me has trouble letting go of it. Why does it prompt you to hate?
     
  12. PITBOSS

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    I poorly worded the comment. - it prompts disappointment/frustration.
     
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    Disregard that makes more sense then. Honestly I'm tired more than anything. I'm tired of life, I'm tired of always feeling alone, I'm tired of feeling like it's me against the world. I think Trump energized me for awhile but now I'm just tired.
     
  14. l_boy

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    Millions of people came to the country with nothing just for a chance for a better life. Likely you have ancestors that did the same. They may have been hated or despised as an immigrant. But they made the best of it. That’s kind of what America is all about.

    All I can tell you is as long as you frame yourself as a victim you will be unhappy. Life is what you make of it. You are essentially behaving the way many far left identity politics liberals are behaving. Understand it isn’t chance that you feel like this. We are wired to be attracted to such thought patterns and media as a business caters to it.



    Good luck. I hope you find another way to frame your life. In spite of the challenges you perceive, real or imagined, there are probably a lot of good things that you are ignoring.
     
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    True but it's going to be ironic if they made the trip here for a better life just to turn this place into the same third world country they were trying to escape. We're on that path I fear.
     
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    What do you mean by wired to be attracted by these thought patterns? Attracted to feel like a victim?
     
  17. mdgator05

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    Okay, so lets go back to that system, where you needed the equivalent of a few hundred bucks and a few tests for major communicable diseases. Pass those thresholds, we write your name down and you are in. That meant that nobody tried to bypass law enforcement and customs, as there was no reason to do so. Deal?
     
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    Who wants to lock you up?
     
  19. cflgator83

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    And how do you plan to pay for millions and millions of immigrants? How to you plan to prepare for our police departments, firefighter/EMS services, roads, school systems and hospital systems not to collapse? Heck here in Orlando they almost collapsed after the hurricane that hit Puerto Rico and that was only around 100,000 Puerto Ricans that came to Florida. The school systems here were overwhelmed. Our hospitals and medical facilities almost collapsed. How are you planning to support million and millions of immigrants? How will the government pay for them? We all know the majority will end up on at least some form of government assistance. We barely have any money at the state and federal level now.

    A lot of those immigrants who went through Ellis Island lived in poverty that people simply wouldn't accept today. Never mind no government programs back then. You want to go back to Ellis Island days? Are you also ready to go back to having no government programs? No medicare. No social security. No food stamps. All of that came well after the height of immigrants coming through Ellis Island. Yes Ellis Island was still open during some of it but it was past its height.
     
  20. mdgator05

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    Immigrants are coming to work. So just like then, you aren't being asked to pay for immigrants. Heck, make sure they have enough to get where they need to go and rent a place for a month. Then, they can get to work. Like everybody else that isn't wealthy.

    You know what we do pay for? The billions in a massive, unnecessary government bureaucracy and massive amounts of infrastructure that we have placed on the border, and which has been totally ineffective (but the next batch will do it, for sure).

    More people means more economic activity, means more taxes, means more money for government to provide those services. More people means more customers for hospitals, who will then build more hospitals. Like it worked in cities in the early 20th century. BTW, the people trying to keep your family out said the same thing at the time.

    I would suggest you have very little understanding of government assistance and how it works, based upon your posts on this thread.
     
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