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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. chemgator

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    Why Prigozhin might secretly want Ukraine to defeat Russia:

    Military expert reveals Prigozhin’s hidden motives, and why he may even want to see Ukraine’s victory

    Apparently 30% of Russians think that he would make a good ruthless dictator. They are tired of life under Putin, and want to be one of Prigo's inmates instead.

     
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  2. chemgator

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    Why does Ukraine own the night on the battlefield? Because Russia can't afford night-vision equipment.

    The video in the link is also very good at describing what is going on with the war and Russia's military capabilities.

    Russia can't really fight Ukraine at night because Moscow's military is so broke and degraded it can't afford night-vision gear for its troops, war expert says

     
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  4. PITBOSS

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    1 - “hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men’s lives” is a ridiculous exaggeration. Let’s all try to get our information and data from reliable AND multiple sources.

    2 - we’ve seen the state sanctioned atrocities Russian troops inflict on a helpless peoples during this war. Torture, rape, murder of civilians of all ages. And kidnapping/human trafficking of Ukrainian children by the thousands. imagine if the Russian army unleashed that hell on Kyiv with a population of a few million.

    3 - if the US went along with maga/Putin/Tucker/mtg/gaetz and taken a policy of appeasement “hoping” Russia wouldn’t next attack the Baltics as they discussed, Ukraine still would have defended themselves.
     
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  5. OklahomaGator

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    Yes, it didn't have to happen, tell that to Putin.
     
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  6. VAg8r1

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    I guess that's true. Were it not for the support of NATO tens of thousands of Ukrainians who died would still be alive including both those who scarified their lives so that Ukraine could exist as an independent country as well as those Ukrainian civilians killed by Russia in Putin's terrorist campaign with the net result being that for all intents and purposes Ukraine would have ceased to exist as an independent country having been incorporated into the Putin's new Russian empire much as it was under the Soviet Union or the original Russian empire of the Czars.
     
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    Somebody first needs to explain to MTG that Ukraine is part of Europe.

     
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  8. okeechobee

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    Lots of western donated equipment being blown up by the Russians near the front line. Russian helicopters are able to hit these targets from well behind the front lines with precision. These are prestige targets for Russia, since they are donations from the West and Ukraine is not able to muster the air defense needed to down the missiles fired from these damned Russian choppers.

    Furthermore, Russia continues to hit prestige targets inside Ukraine which house mobile air defense units, compounding the situation on the ground. Ukraine has admitted the Russians have the upper hand in the counteroffensive thus far.
     
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  9. chemgator

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    Russia is so stressed out by the success of Ukraine's counter-offensive that they've doubled the wine allowance for Russian officials. The poor bastards.

    Kremlin officials turn to heavy drinking to cope with war stress

    Glass, bottle, what's the difference?
    If you have to have a strategy, make it a good one.
     
  10. chemgator

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    Since when has Ukraine "admitted that the Russians have the upper hand in the counter-offensive so far"? You do a lot of story-telling without providing any links. Seems like you are either repeating tall tales from the Russian government, or taking a few statements from Ukraine out of context and stretching their implications until they snap.

    Ukraine has admitted that fighting Russia is more difficult than it used to be. Part of that is because Russia is playing defense, and they've had months to prepare their defenses. I have not seen any quotes from Ukraine that Russia has the upper hand, or that defeat is even a remote possibility.
     
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  11. chemgator

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    Ukraine knocks out two attack helicopters in two days, so they at least have some ways to destroy Russia's attack helicopters.

    Ukrainian defenders destroy two Russian Ka-52 helicopters and 12 UAVs

     
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    Ukraine's losses of western equipment during the counter-offensive: less than 10%, according to Estonia.

    Ukraine lost less than 10% of its Western equipment in clashes with Russia – Estonian intelligence

     
  13. tampagtr

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    The description of effect of a break through and taking out AA batteries is reminiscent of Operation Abirey Halev in the 1973 War, Sharon. From Wiki


    On the night of October 15, 20 Israeli tanks and 7 APCs under the command of Colonel Haim Erez crossed the canal and penetrated 12 kilometres into mainland Egypt, taking the Egyptians by surprise. For the first 24 hours, Erez's force attacked SAM sites and military columns with impunity.

    Israeli jets began attacking Egyptian SAM sites and radars, prompting General Ismail to withdraw much of the Egyptians' air defense equipment. This in turn gave the IAF still greater freedom to operate in Egyptian airspace.
    Israeli jets also attacked and destroyed underground communication cables at Banha in the Nile Delta, forcing the Egyptians to transmit selective messages by radio, which could be intercepted.
     
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  15. okeechobee

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    Exhibit A of why you should scrub memes before posting them.

    Let me make sure I understand. I’m supposed to express sorrow or lament fallen Russian soldiers? I’m supposed to ask Vladimir Putin a question he’ll mock and laugh at?

    Should I also cease to derive from Western sources, as I did in my previous post? That information is in the Wall Street Journal.
     
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    Looks like you’re responding to more of the old “words as a substitute for battlefield success” information campaign. In 2016, I worked as an Information Operations (IO) advisor in Afghanistan (Wait! Aren’t you a pilot? Yep. Marine Corps gives you strange assignments at times), my boss was an old codger who had been doing IO forever. Whenever some staff guy would suggest IO as a panacea for something, he would say, “IO can highlight success. It can’t create it.” Or conversely “IO can deflect, distract, or minimize failure. It can’t hide it.” Someone needs to give Russia a copy of those maxims. There’s just no putting lipstick on the pig of Russian strategic, operational, tactical, and logistical incompetence. Ukraine has been holding its own (or better) against an opponent who by force correlation should have wiped it off the map in two months. Maybe Russia will turn it around. Maybe Russian victory is “inevitable” the way the Kremlin and its troupe of internet trolls would have us believe. Maybe their laughable failures in the air are all part of a grand deception to draw NATO into a decisive air battle behind the shield of their impenetrable IADS. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. But apart from this Kremlin talk, talk, talk, you know what I’m not seeing? Evidence.
     
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    That’s funny you thought I was directing that at you. I wasn’t. That was in reply to a number of posters who apparently were responding to something stupid and repetitive from a certain indisputable Russian troll. But since your instinct was that it was about you, maybe the lady doth protest too much.
     
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  18. okeechobee

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    Well, I didn’t see that, because said Russian troll has been on my ignore list for a long time. If it’s the one I suspect it to be, I’d advise you all to block that individual, as you are likely dealing with a paid Russian operative or someone directly linked to the GRU or Russian government.

    You’re actually throwing Putin a bone by communicating in any way, shape or form with one of his lackeys. That is exactly what they want. Even if you summarily dismiss everything they say, you’re giving them a stage by engaging.
     
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    All that being said, I would find it silly if someone asked Vladimir Putin, via a Gators sports message board, to withdraw his troops from Ukraine. I would find that disturbing, to be honest. Does someone really think that would make a difference?

    As for Russian dead. Yep, there’s a lot of Russians dying too. Probably more Russians than Ukrainians. Hundreds of thousands of people dying. I don’t agree with continuing a war under the hope that more Russian casualties will cause a change in Moscow. We killed 1 million North Vietnamese. Didn’t change a damn thing. I think that’s very faulty premise to continue a slaughter.
     
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