Pandemic brought highest rates of teen homicide, young adult suicide since 2001

Few posters suffer fools so patiently, Mutz was pretty good at that too

 

Ahh, see now you have reversed the burden of proof. You are claiming I took certain positions. I shouldn't have to show you I took the opposite position to dispute that I took those positions, because there is a third option and a fourth option: I didn't take a position or I took some complex or conditional position that wasn't one extreme or the other.

For example, on schools, I have explained my position to you multiple times over the years. My position was that schools were amongst the most important things in society and that we should be doing everything we could to lower community infection rates to get them back open. The reason for the focus on community infection rates was because the literature at the time, including the literature you were linking, stated that community infection rates were an important moderator.

I can find two longer interactions between us on schools in 2020. The first was you linked a paper to support opening schools, I pointed out the issue of community spread rate (and protective environments) were keys to the finding in that study according to the authors. You responded that most of the US was fine (it should be noted, this was towards the beginning of a major spike in cases in many locations around the US in the late summer of 2020), but that South Florida should open virtually (carving out a pro-school closure position, it should be noted). Second, as colleges were reopening we got into something about how you wanted every school to hand out N95s to all staff members to avoid having to run testing protocols. I pointed out that you can't do that due to shortages at the time and because of the recommendations for use (which would need to be followed for such a program and required people to use a new N95 each day). You wanted everybody to just keep reusing them rather than use them in the recommended manner, which would not be a tenable position for any University administrator (the first person that died that caught Covid with their 4 day old N95 on would walk away with quite a bit of cash).

That is literally all I could find on schools with you in 2020. And you have no spent 3 years lying about it everytime you get caught on something like this. That is why I encourage you to go find whatever post it is that you are discussing, and I am happy to discuss it with you. Beyond that, I am not interested in engaging in you lying about me.

 

No, you saying this:

NOPE. You are lying. It's ok, everyone here sees it. I'm right. You go prove me wrong. Suicides went up. You were wrong, yet again.

And then just a few posts later having to say this:

My mistake. You are right on the suicides.

is way funnier.

 

Beyond your continued issues with opinions and facts, the fact that you aren't willing to engage with this post in any substantive fashion, or show me a single post that contradicts what I just said, is the problem. Much like here, you need those lies about me to feel better about yourself. You got caught dead to rights here lying about me and what I (and you) said at the time. I don't think it is smart to continue to engage with you lying about me if you can't provide one piece of evidence to back up your claims (heck, at this point, I wonder if lying is even the right word, you may have deluded yourself into believing this, which makes it delusion, not necessarily a lie). So let me know when you do.

 

I swear people can’t interpret data. 95 is claiming something that didn’t occur. Here is the CDC data released last month.

The big increase in suicides in 15-19 happened when Trump was elected.

What is this thread about?



Products - Data Briefs - Number 464 - April 2023.

 

Again, you made the accusation. Since you are willing to admit you were wrong for a few years, back it or admit you were wrong. You make the accusation of what my positions were (it should be noted that taking a position you don't like isn't itself wrong or factually untrue, which is why I asked you for a post in which I stated something that was factually wrong), you back it up with proof or stop lying. You got caught confidently lying about me on this thread, and yet you continue to do it. Prove me wrong.

 

I already wrote you up a nice write up on my positions on schools. This is at least the third time that I have done that for you. Over years. It doesn't matter because you need the lie. Which is why it is best not to engage unless you bring evidence (and why I actively encourage you to do so, which, it should be noted, you have refused to do thus far, despite having been caught already lying about a position of mine in this thread for pages).

If you want a contemporaneous post as to my position on schools at the time, which was entirely dependent on community spread rates, you can have this post from January 8, 2021 during a major surge coming out of the winter.

Sorry that I didn't take either HOT TAKE position to better serve your needs. Now, if you want to explain why you disagree with that position, feel free, although I should note that you at least agreed with it in theory when you were proposing that South Florida shouldn't open their schools during the summer of 2020.

 

Very odd that so many of these suicides were from people injecting bleach, inserting light bulbs into their bodies or ODing on Ivermectin.

 

And this is why it isn't worth engaging with you. I take the time to detail my position, which is that the effectiveness of policies were dependent on a moderating variable, community infection spread, due to the need to balance two issues, a desire for schooling and a desire for less Covid deaths. That was based on scientific literature that even you linked, which was taking a far more nuanced position than you. I calmly explain this to you, even showing you a post of me doing exactly that (despite the fact that you won't provide a post of mine with any factual errors).

And your response is to demand that I take a hot take for you to argue with. Only two options: good or bad.

So, no thanks on that. Again, anytime you want to bring up a specific post, where you don't get to lie about me as you did in this thread, I am happy to answer and discuss my thoughts. I stand behind my thoughts and, if I have made an error, I am happy to correct it.

If, instead, this is some narcissistic exercise with you playing the role of Skip Bayliss, demanding that everybody listen to your shouted, unnuanced opinions, fit into neat little boxes, and agree with you or repent, no thanks on that.

 

Another graph on the subject. Noting that the trend began long before the pandemic lockdowns.

https://assets-global.website-files.com/62db7bc87a1a7c29138e81d2/641cc4611f412d53082a852a_Stacker Suicide Rates_Graph 1.webp

 

Wrinkle: if voluntarily taking a vaccine amounts to a suicide attempt … recalibrate figures …