Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!
  1. Hi there... Can you please quickly check to make sure your email address is up to date here? Just in case we need to reach out to you or you lose your password. Muchero thanks!

Murder Rate Falling Rapidly

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by mdgator05, Jun 14, 2023.

  1. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    16,244
    2,096
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    From Jeff Asher, who collects crime data for a living:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/06/us-murder-rate-decline-crime-statistics/674290/
     
    • Informative Informative x 3
    • Like Like x 1
  2. obgator

    obgator GC Hall of Fame

    1,803
    1,346
    2,103
    Apr 3, 2007
    Thanks Biden!
     
    • Funny Funny x 6
    • Winner Winner x 5
  3. gatorchamps0607

    gatorchamps0607 Always Rasta VIP Member

    51,821
    20,831
    14,263
    Aug 14, 2007
    Gallatin, TN
    Its hard to get away with anything these days. Everyone has a ring camera. You can almost guarantee most crimes or the lead up and activities afterwards will be on someone's camera, somewhere.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  4. ThePlayer

    ThePlayer VIP Member

    38,442
    5,207
    2,193
    Apr 3, 2007
    His high inflation made bullets more expensive.
     
    • Funny Funny x 11
  5. BLING

    BLING GC Hall of Fame

    8,947
    882
    2,843
    Apr 16, 2007
    My theory when we saw these ‘21 spikes was that it was similar to inflation, a different sort of “pent up demand”, but a similar phenomenon having to do with the suppression of murders during the pandemic. There had to be a “bounce back” before transitoning back to longer term trends.

    Call it a transitory murder rate.;)
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  6. mrhansduck

    mrhansduck GC Hall of Fame

    4,865
    1,002
    1,788
    Nov 23, 2021
    I have always made this point, too, but the murder clearance rate has reportedly been getting worse. Seems very counter-intuitive to me and not sure what to make of it if true. This is from last year.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/07/police-murder-clearance-rate/661500/
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  7. obgator

    obgator GC Hall of Fame

    1,803
    1,346
    2,103
    Apr 3, 2007
    So making ammunition more expensive makes us safer? How interesting?!
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1
  8. gatorchamps0607

    gatorchamps0607 Always Rasta VIP Member

    51,821
    20,831
    14,263
    Aug 14, 2007
    Gallatin, TN
    9mm got all the way up to .71 cents a round. Right now the cheapest stuff you can find is around 20-25 cents a round.

    9mm Ammo Price History
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  9. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

    17,612
    2,861
    1,618
    Apr 3, 2007
    Beat me to it. It's silly, but you know he would be blamed if it were reversed
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  10. obgator

    obgator GC Hall of Fame

    1,803
    1,346
    2,103
    Apr 3, 2007
    Yes, if it was reversed then O&B and gang would be jizzing all over this thread about senile/evil genius Biden and the big bad libbies!
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
  11. Gatorhead

    Gatorhead GC Hall of Fame

    18,128
    6,052
    3,313
    Apr 3, 2007
    Philadelphia
    Yes thank you Biden but I would thank Trump too if he was the current president and tha stat was the same. Some things should over-rule party ideology and this is one of them.
     
  12. Gatorrick22

    Gatorrick22 GC Hall of Fame

    88,960
    26,798
    4,613
    Apr 3, 2007
    [​IMG]
     
  13. wgbgator

    wgbgator Premium Member

    30,248
    1,906
    2,218
    Apr 19, 2007
    I'm not sure if the reporting is better for 2022 than 2021, but roughly 7000 police agencies covering about 35% of the population didnt report anything that year.


    The Problem With The FBI’s Missing Crime Data

     
  14. jhenderson251

    jhenderson251 Premium Member

    3,406
    572
    2,043
    Aug 7, 2008
    And yet, that's more than a single Republican has done to curtail gun violence this century.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  15. ridgetop

    ridgetop GC Hall of Fame

    2,101
    733
    1,848
    Aug 4, 2020
    Top of the ridge
    1. The connection between inflation of bullets prices and murder in this thread is laughable at best and yet several have seemingly taken it seriously.
    2. I’m extremely happy to see the murder rate go down. Especially considering how many guns have been purchased over the last five years. Given how dangerous/murderous guns are I’d have thought the murder rate was skyrocketing
    3. We are told repeatedly how poorly the data on murder is reported by most police departments. If the order rate has gone down.. that is awesome. If this is stat twisting pie in the sky hoping for the best then I’m not sure anyone needs to celebrate.
     
  16. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    16,244
    2,096
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    Over the last five years, it has increased, even with this decrease. And, as pointed out in the article, mass shootings are up.

    And murder is not poorly reported. Other crimes are. But murders have actual bodies.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  17. UFLawyer

    UFLawyer GC Hall of Fame

    6,411
    418
    198
    Apr 3, 2007
    Florida
    [​IMG]
     
  18. UFLawyer

    UFLawyer GC Hall of Fame

    6,411
    418
    198
    Apr 3, 2007
    Florida
    That is just not true. Most of my Republican friends conceal carry, as I do. Speaking for just myself, I have never witnessed any gun violence while I am conceal carrying, so I assume the bad guys are just afraid of me and my 9mm.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  19. philnotfil

    philnotfil GC Hall of Fame

    17,727
    1,789
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    You have to be a stainless steel rat these days.
     
  20. gtr2x

    gtr2x GC Hall of Fame

    16,642
    1,537
    1,393
    Aug 21, 2007
    If that's all it takes, maybe we should put a huge tax on ammo to make it even more expensive. :cool:
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1