Lock him up! CNN reports Trump to be indicted

Dumbest post of the thread award.

 

That would be Republican James Comey that you are arguing was a too partisan Republican?

 

Considering the source and with no back up or reason for your claim I thank you.

 

I mean, the actual most logical explanation is just that he’s an idiot.

If the explanation is he thought he had a legal right to keep them, you assert that by responding to the NARA request by sending a letter claiming that you’re entitled to keep the documents and then moving to quash the subpoena on the basis that DOJ is not entitled to the documents. When you, instead, tell them the documents don’t exist you aren’t asserting a legal defense, you’re committing a relatively serious crime.

Because by trying to hide them from DOJ he’s committed a bunch of additional crimes, and that both makes “this was all just a big misunderstanding” stop being a plausible resolution, distinguishes his case from all the otherwise similar ones, and raises that there’s a limit to how many crimes you can just look the other way on. Even setting aside the documents issue, it’s not really plausible for the resolution of charges for lying to the DOJ to be “well, once we charged you with lying to us you finally told the truth, all good now.”

 

Does anyone know how the classified information is actually handled in open court and with a jury? Is it redacted? Will the attorneys and witnesses be limited in what they can say about the documents?

 

This seems like Dissemination of classified material which I understand is a separate charge. Unless Kid Rock has security clearance.

The Atlantic article suggests trump could be charged in NJ as well because Nauta drove a bunch of boxes to NJ and trump showed material to others there. It may not all rest on the questionable impartiality of Judge Cannon.

 

Trump manages to even turn serious charges related to national security into a B-level reality show, with this week's special guest star.

 

Yep. That's the only logical explanation.

Logically speaking, most people don't lie about and hide stuff they think is theirs to keep, and they definitely don't do that after being told it's not theirs and they need to return.

You know who does act like that? Thieves.

 

It's comforting knowing Kid Rock takes classified material more serious than a former President.

 

Just insanity to me that the GOP can't quit this piece of shit.

 

The deficit in Obama's 1st year reflected Bush's last budget during the Great Recession. The deficits in Trump's last year and Biden's 1st year, of course, reflect the pandemic.

 

Isn't that exactly what Pence and Biden did.

Aren't you guys saying that if he just complied with the requests for documents, he wouldn't have been indicted?

What harm is a little further down the chain of applying that standard going to do.

On one hand, you have an indictment deciding a Presidential election. On the other, you get your documents back, and let the American people choose between Trump's ego and judgment and Biden's corruption.

To me, it's a really easy choice.

 

Wait, Tucker and Kid Rock are supposed to be… helping Trump, right?

They trying to set up an insanity defense? Mental Incompetence?

 

To me, Hillary Clinton destroying her emails, her server, cell phones, etc. The FBI has already looked the other way. They would just be applying the existing standard so they don't look partisan.

There will be a lot more harm done to the country in throwing the kitchen sink at Trump even if he's willing to return the documents at this point than would be in letting him off lightly if he just returns the documents.

I realize that's a judgment call, and I respect your opinion, but the political concern over politicizing the Justice Department to target your political enemies is too big here.

 

Yes, because no documents returned already were part of these charges.

Just how many times does this guy get to obstruct justice and lie to investigators with no repercussions? He also did both those things during the Mueller investigation.

 

33,000.

 

Trump was offered the same choice. Return everything and no charges ever get filed. What did Trump do instead? Lie to the Feds, lie to his lawyers, moved the docs to hide them, and obstructed the investigation. If Trump returns the docs in March, 2021 when first requested, no charges. If Trump complies with the subpoena a few months later and returns all docs, again no charges. But at some point, it became obvious Trump wasn't going to cooperate with Feds.

I would say when it takes the Feds a warrant to search the premises, the chance of walking away scot free by complying and cooperating completely has left the station. Pence and Biden never even got to the subpoena stage. They allowed the Feds full access after the first docs were found. Hillary deleted things before the investigation started, and the Feds found her actions an attempt to be compliant, and out of 33,000 emails, only about 100 were questionable.

 

Regardless, I think our country would be better off if we had more Jimmy Buffett and less Kid Rock.

 

Convenient. I'm getting the vibe that you guys are making up these rules as you go along.

 

You and Chobee really need to educate yourself about the Hillary case because you have no idea what you are talking about thanks to right wing indoctrination.