Lock him up! CNN reports Trump to be indicted

Poster seems to suggest that in order to "maintain this perception of integrity with the FBI", the FBI must look the other way and not find classified documents in Trump's possession. That's some major alternate reality.

 

If the democrats elect some dipshit like trump with a flagrant disregard for following the law I hope he/she is impeached/indicted and forbidden from holding public office ever again. Full stop.

 

More reading comprehension issues I see.

 

Not sure how that works, particularly while a case is pending. My understanding is that courts often have to reject or accept proposed plea deals, so the Judge knows about them. I imagine jurors don't hear about them for obvious reasons. Not sure about whether they're strictly confidential. My guess is that if a plea deal were offered to Trump, the prosecution would not publicize it even assuming they could do so. But I imagine Trump could mention an offer? He's not a lawyer and not under a gag order as far as I know. I'm just speculating though.

 

The reality is, if Trump wasn't a former POTUS, he'd be in a max prison right now. Anyone else who had the types of docs he had stored on a ballroom stage, bathroom shower, or a poolhouse closet would have been arrested a long time ago.

The other reality is, there has never been a POTUS in the past who has been accused of anything on this level. Teapot Dome, Watergate, and Clinton's extracurricular activity all didn't threaten national security. Trump having nuclear capability and US and ally vulnerabilities documents stored at MAR is not only criminal irresponsible, it's truly dangerous. How can you not indict Trump when you look at the facts?

The facts in the Hillary case are much different. It's not boxes of the highest secrets that if leaked, could cause national security damage. It was around 100 emails, most of which mentioned secrets, but didn't cause potential damage. Again, talking about classified drone attacks because someone leaked the story to the NY Times doesn't further the damage already done, unless Hillary released more information not included in the Times' story. Twice the FBI investigated Hillary and twice said there wasn't enough to indict. Trump, on the other hand, I ask again, how do you not indict?

 

In this case, I think publicizing the plea offers would be more beneficial to the Department of Justice than to Trump. But they may not be allowed to do so. I don't know.

Really hard to claim this is selective prosecution if a plea offer signals "all we want are the documents back and a little slap on the wrist for being a colossal pain in the ass."

That won't work in court, but frankly I don't think the DOJ will need any help in court. It looks like they already have more than enough. It's in the court of public opinion that they need help. It would be good for the DOJ and the country for them to show exactly why they did this by putting the decision squarely on Trump.

If Trump is offered no jail time, retains the ability to run for President, and simply needs to return the classified documents... and he still turns that down... I would agree that concern over prejudicial motives behind this should be put to rest.

 

We've already seen what a Trump presidency looks like. Maybe it'll be better without bogus Russia pee pee tape bullshit hanging over his head, and covid crap...

 

If your base votes for a criminal then those actions have consequences. What the hell are you still trying to defend at this point? He's a CRIMINAL. Don't vote for criminals. As an independent, I would never ever vote for a KNOWN grifter. He has been his whole life. Will you admit that? Trump U. Grift. When do you and your fellow Republicans take ownership that you put this guy in a position to ruin the whole party? Instead of arguing with everyone, why not spend that energy on taking back your party. Drop the culture war baloney. Stop voting in people that believe in Jewish Space Lasers. Is that so hard?

 

That is absolutely absurd.

Trump left office January 21, 2021. He left the White House the day before and his boxes of documents left the WH the same day on their way to Mar-a-Lago. On May 6, 2021, Archives asks for the documents. June, 2021, Archives tells Trump he will be referred to DOJ if he doesn't turn them over. December 2021, Archives renews demand. January 17, 2021 Trump turns over 15 boxes to Archives, some of which contain classified material. February 9, 2022 Archives refers matter to DOJ due to classified materials. March 30, 2022 FBI opens its investigation. April 26, 2022 grand jury investigation begins. April 29, 2022 DOJ demands immediate access to documents Trump is retaining. May 11, 2022 grand jury subpoenas documents from Trump. June 3, 2022 FBI and DOJ are given 38 documents by Trump's people at Mar-a-Lago. June 8, 2022 DOJ sends Trump preservation letter as to anything he has retained. August 8, 2022 search warrant executed by FBI at Mar-a-Lago.

Trump and his people jerked the FBI and DOJ around for 4 months. The FBI and DOJ knew boxes were being moved all around Mar-a-Lago from surveillance videos.

If you think Joe Citizen could jerk the FBI and DOJ around for four months waiting for compliance with subpoenas and other lawful demands, you fortunately have NO experience with how these things work in real life. The FBI has NOTHING to apologize for or justify. These weren't bank records they were dealing with, they were top secret/classified documents that put this country at risk while they were being stored improperly. Any reasonable American should be aghast that we still don't know where the missing Iran invasion plans are. How incredibly telling is it that those plans can't be located? It highlights and puts an exclamation point after every concern raised about these materials and Donald Trump's retention of them.

 

Ramaswamy is pressuring other GOP hopefuls to pledge to pardon Trump if they win. There have been some rumors that DeSantis has made a pledge in private but won't do so publicly. I don't know if that's true or not. Interesting to see how DeSantis and others move forward. Does refusing to make a pledge undermine any contention that the charges are very clearly partisan and should have never been brought? Not an easy tightrope to walk.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...t-to-pardoning-trump-over-federal-indictment/

 

Good response!

Brought to you by the GQP . . . .

 

You sound like an abused spouse who sees their partner for the a-hole that they are. But then you don’t want to let go and cling on to the hope that they will magically change somehow.

 

Bill Barr, Trumps hand picked AG, who has defended Trump from Russia to Stormy Gate, says that if even 1/2 of what is alledged is true Trump is toast. We are talking about blatant and willfull obstruction and carelessness of national security documents - daily intelligence briefs, military plans, etc.

At this point if you can’t call it out for what it is, you can’t be taken seriously for anything you say. (Which is par for the course for you)

 

There really is no remote comparison in US politics. That said, I thought the security perimeter would be farther

 

The Bulwark characterized most republicans response as “He World Series of whataboutism”.

 

Ya'll love shoehorning in "whataboutism" for righteous claims of blatant double standards and hypocrisy because you have no defense for them.

You grasp at whatever straws you can find to draw a difference, then claim any comparison is whataboutism. It's pathetic.

It's like that kid who makes up rules in a board game as he goes, then when you question the consistency of the application of the rules the kid goes "why are you talking about me, why are you talking about that?"

It's the classic "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Focus only on the Republicans, don't worry about us." It's all slight of hand and misdirection. It's BS, we know it's BS, you know it's BS, and you know we know it's BS. So we've descended into simple power struggles with no real rules. Sad, scary, and dangerous times.

 

I think every FBI Director has been Republican so if there is a bias, I find it unlikely it is against Rs. I find it much more likely to a lead pipe cinch that the FBI is mostly populated by agents and administration that just want to catch the bad guys and do their jobs well.

 

Nice work there, counselor.

Very succinct.

 

This you, Einstein?