Lock him up! CNN reports Trump to be indicted

Well, I wasn’t trying to take stand here as much as suggest that we should be looking for standards of evidence rather making conclusions. Here you’ve provided just such a standard, which is the same one that Bling described above: finding prosecutable evidence. I am seeing this the same way as you, but others see evidence for selective prosecution on the side of the FBI and DOJ.

I would be willing to accept this, but only if it passes the same standard. Durham was given many years to discover evidence of wrong doing on the part of the justice system, and didn’t find it, so I think that should close the case. (Of course perhaps the Durham investigation was also corrupt, but this just threatens an infinite regress).

I know individuals can certainly be biased, but in the end I think we have to trust that the entire legal system does not suffer under such a bias or we really can’t find a common reality.

 

Agree. I have a very intelligent lawyer friend who agrees that Trump broke the law here but very clearly sees this indictment as a result of selective prosecution. I really hope that The DOJ’s case is as solid as they think, not because I hope that Trump really committed the crimes, but I think that this case falling apart would basically destroy the DOJ’s remaining shred of credibility for the right.

 

I understand your view, 715, and I believe you are being sincere. I am seeing this a bit differently, but this could be a problem with my own vision. When we are dealing with someone like Trump, there’s really going to be no way to have an uncontroversial solution, but we fortunately have a justice system where politicians can’t act as judge, jury, and executioner, so I am willing to accept whatever verdict it returns.

 

“The right” may be a lost cause, certainly the politicians are not rational actors. The position of clowns like Jordan continues to be “absolute authority”… but that apparently only applies to Trump… and extends even when he’s out of office. So I’m not sure trying to earn “credibility points” with corrupt and irrational actors trying to destroy America should be a concern. Just do the right thing. Let the chips fall as they may. IMHO.

 

Exactly. Biden was ridiculed by the mainstream media as a fraud back during the 1988 election. They roasted the dude worse than they even roast Trump today. I’m surprised he was able to re-make himself and regain some credibility. But that’s what happens when tribalism sets in. They ignored all the warning signs that were very apparent about Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

The point is this. As long as they are going to ignore Hillary and Biden’s corruption, Trump gets a pass too. If you’re GOP and you don’t defend Trump here, you’re making a grave error. Until they hold both sides accountable, you have to play the same game.

You saw what they did to Bush. You saw what they did to Romney. They’re already doing it to DeSantis in Florida. Trust me, if Trump drops out of the race and DeSantis wins the presidency in 2024, they will find a way to turn DeSantis into an existential threat. They’ve already started it in Florida and it kicked into high gear as soon as it was apparent he had legs for a 2024 run. If you think you can simply replace Trump with DeSantis and everything will be glorious for the GOP again, you are highly mistaken. By all accounts, DeSantis is a man of honor and integrity, but they will make him prime evil just like what they’re doing with Trump. They’ll conjure some scandal and wrongdoing. Trust me, Trump will look like a saint compared to what they’ll do to DeSantis. Fight the good fight until the climate changes where we can all be sane again.

 

I am sure I’ve lost sight of most of my thought trains!

But I think our justice system is built basically expressly to address the subjectivity-objectivity problem. No doubt juries get it wrong sometimes, but they must have a better track record than us keyboard cowboys.

 

I like QOP . . . . but prefer GQP.

 

I know what you mean with Jordan, but my friend is, I think, a more normal animal. And there must be thousands of him across the country. I just think maintaining faith in our institutions is crucial to the persistence of the nation. Jonathan Rauch put it well in the Constitution of Knowledge, saying “We don’t need everyone to agree on the same facts, just a critical mass to agree on the process to determine true facts.”

 

Glad you find it funny.

Yeah, the indictment against Trump is damning. But a similar indictment--imo, even more compelling and damning--could be written of "Biden Intel Peddling International, Inc", if our press corps sought to earn, in earnest, its sacred constitutional protection, rather than act like politiburo fanboi foot soldiers for the Left, and actually investigated and shown light on matters in a balanced fashion, rather than running cover for one side, and ever going after the other.

Hereya' go-permit me to offer up some some fun reading, to offer some balance your hero's indictment vs Trump:



(...this would be celebrated and awarded Pulitzer prize and such.
Alas, that would result in biting the hand that feeds, and so it languishes in the fringes).

To the point--why the disgust with the targeting of Trump, and the puzzling loyalty to him?

It's because he has been the only politician with the sack to overtly take on China.

But his directness vis a vis China resulted in the chicom puppet MSM-DNC coalition going rabid batshit (pun intended) anti-Orangeman, and not being able to see anything but red, at the mere sight or scent of Orangeman, was and always has been, the true source of his downfall.

That's why Mr. Apprentice, in like Flynn with the MSM and dems prior to announcing for GOP candy, was immediately attacked and scorned, before he ever even reached the bottom of his escalator. He knew where the bodies were hidden; and apparently sought to partake in the treasures.

Meanwhile, y'all continiue to wag your fingers and look down your noses at us from on high, gloating that no dirt has yet been found on any member of your loyal puppet party (not recognizing the obvious, that it is only bc they have remained loyal to the puppet master).

Talk about naive.

Yeah...AAAAALLLLLL of the corruption in politics, is conveniently, ONLY provable, against one party--the one wherein can be found some folks (a scant few at that) who dare challenge Chinese influence on our country.

Right. And covid wasn't leaked from the virology lab incredibly conveniently located at Wuhan...but by a magic bat shitting on a wet market....that just happened to be located in that same Wuhan....

 

If Trump didn’t have the record that he has, I’d be right there with you. But Trump is, well … Trump. He is a sexual predator, a liar, ran companies into the ground, defrauded investors, ran fraudulent charities, and has legions of former supporters and colleagues and high-level executives uniformly speak out against his immoral propensities.

Maybe, just maybe, he isn’t the victim he keeps shouting to his Trumpeteers. Maybe, if we just look at his actually record, he really is a bad guy, with bad motives, and unrestrained conduct.

 

Even if all of that is true, nobody cared until he ran for President. And it's not like they had no reason to care, dude was a public figure for decades.

 

Agree or disagree, I believe this is how it will play out, and is already playing out thusly.

IMO, the indictment leads to a hard to avoid conclusion, but one which is based on less conjecture than to conclude the same was done by Biden and da Shill, but with china and Ukraine, in the past tense (ie.--crime already committed, not in the conspiracy state), rather than Russia, ostensibly in the future.

IOW, Trump probably sought to sell intel to Russia; but Biden and Shillary DID sell intel, to China and Ukraine.

That appears to be where we are:

Pick your poison--i.e., pick the lesser of traitors, as Commander in Chief of our great republic.

jmho/fwiw.

 

...and China Joe has been Captain America all these years???

 

" . . . . . he just moves on to the next bs in defense of lord Trump)."

 

Evidence. Real, hard evidence like the stuff mentioned against Trump that he purposely hid the documents from the Feds, and his own lawyers. Show me this stuff, and I'll take it equally as seriously as the indictment against Trump.

The investigation against Hunter is ongoing, and I'll accept whatever they find and what, if any, indictments come down. But right now, you sound a lot like you did waiting for the Durham Report to come out. And when it did finally come out, it landed with a giant whimper.

If someone has the good against Joe Biden, I hope it sees the light of day, and the truth wins out. But if people like you continue to lob allegations against Joe, and nothing ever sticks, it tells me that either Biden is a master criminal for getting away with it all these years, and Trump is a complete moron for getting caught.

 

This is some fascinating mental gymnastics here.

Now you accept Trump is “probably a traitor” (far beyond the crimes he’s being charged with), but thats ok because Biden and Clinton are traitors too… for selling intel to Ukraine (wtf?) and China?

Dare I ask for the evidence that makes you think they “sold intel” in anything remotely the same veign as the documents Trump was holding???

Trump was caught holding documents Re: nuclear deterrence, vulnerabilities to attack, and various contingency battle plans (I guess mostly for attacking Iran). Those are the ones they let us know about (plenty of speculation as to CIA assets getting killed in early ‘21, which may or may not be relevant). Anyone find it somewhat alarming this same lunatic is blustering about how “only I can prevent WW3”? I actually think he’s so crazy he thinks he is holding something as leverage (like a “nice country you got there, shame if anything happened to it” type extortion), and we wonder why the Russians prefer this idiot.

 

I don’t think this is accurate. I am pretty sure that virtually the entire timeline occurred before he announced his candidacy, including the appointment of Jack Smith,

 

France, Italy, Portugal, Iceland, South Korea, Malaysia are banana republics? LOL!
But if it makes you feel better, yes, Trump has dragged us down into third world status by making a mockery of the democratic institutions and his failed coup attempt.