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Home Depot's co-founder says the rise of 'socialism' is making people too lazy, fat and stupid to wo

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by studegator, Jun 10, 2023.

  1. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer VIP Member

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    This is what you are subjecting people who are ostensibly fleeing persecution to:
    Migrants returned to Mexico describe horror of kidnappings, torture, rape

    What is your justification for excluding them from our country while they wait? What's the harm of them waiting here? What justifies subjecting them to dangerous places where they may be kidnapped, tortured, raped, or murdered?

    Marcus is 94 years old. He spent millions trying to get Trump elected and millions more trying to get him reelected. My big picture view is that I have zero reason to respect the griping about young people from some person on death's door whose judgment is so poor that he spent a huge amount of money supporting Donald Trump.

    And we're not talking about Marcus spending millions in 2016 and then realizing he goofed. He spent at least $10 million in 2020 trying to reelect Trump. I don't care at all what a man like that thinks. He clearly is content screwing this country over because he won't have to live with the consequences.
     
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  2. l_boy

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    Because many never even show up for their eventual hearing, and many probably don’t qualify for asylum. Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing but compassion for most of these people, but there has to be a working functioning process.

    The problem with your referencing the perils of abuse in Mexico, is that what you are saying is that pretty much all other countries south of the US are unsafe, which essentially means we have to let anybody into the US because they are unsafe otherwise. Even if that were true, we can’t have everybody in the world who has poor economic or other circumstances in the world come and live in the US.
     
  3. AgingGator

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    Actually, he was trying to prevent the screwing that we are all taking from Biden. In the rear, no lube. Taking it hard. Enjoy yours.
     
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  4. murphree_hall

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    The US military is basically a socialist micro state within a capitalist country. I wouldn’t say it breeds laziness. I lived in Germany which leans socialist, and it is one of the cleanest, most well run countries I’ve ever lived in. The crazy thing is that they don’t believe in working themselves to death. You do not interfere with their lunch breaks by even one minute. They get way more holidays. Just better workers rights all around.
     
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  5. gator_lawyer

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    Sounds like my commentary on old man Marcus is hitting a little close to home, eh? ;)
     
  6. gator_lawyer

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    Yes, you're getting the point. We have asylum laws. We should follow them. Forcing people to risk serious bodily harm in another country, despite the fact that the overwhelming majority show up for their hearings, is wrong. We have plenty of avenues available to build a well-functioning process that does not require inviting harm on people ostensibly fleeing persecution.
    11 Years of Government Data Reveal That Immigrants Do Show Up for Court
     
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  7. AgingGator

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    No, it’s just amazing to me that you cannot see the damage done to this country over the last three years. And I do mean three because Trump was a F’ing fool to “Flatten The Curve”. Inflation has hurt, and it hurts those who you claim to champion much, much more than you or I. It’s not transitory. The rate may come back down but the damage won’t be undone.
     
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  8. gatorchamps960608

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    Inflation is less a problem now than large corporations sticking it to the public with higher prices because in 2020 their CEOs' bonuses wouldn't allow them to buy their 3rd ski chalet like they had planned.
     
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  9. l_boy

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    like many things this seems to be incredibly complex and you can create narratives based upon which statistics you use.

    FactChecking Claims About Asylum Grants and Immigration Court Attendance - FactCheck.org

    So it does appear to be true that most that apply for asylum do attend their hearings. Where the problem is that 40% who cross the border, claim asylum and credible fear, but don’t actually file the official paperwork to claim asylum. So what happens to that 40%? It isn’t terribly clear but I assume most of them stay here in an undocumented status.

    Only about 15% of those who initially claim credible fear are ultimately granted asylum. Another 11% aren’t granted asylum but are allowed to stay for other reasons. The remaining 75% are either deported or fall into the 40% that never file.
     
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  10. gator_lawyer

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    It's amazing to me you think this country would be in a better place if Trump was reelected. The country is doing just fine.
     
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  11. l_boy

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    I think in some ways the pandemic just accelerated trends that were already happening. The government could have done less, but that also could have had negative side effects. A protracted severe recession or depression causes long term unemployment, loss of job skills, and it spreads as the money dries up, deflation sets in, and the process can feed on itself, like the Great Depression.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think we overdid it, but we were in uncharted territory and it was a bit of pick your poison.
     
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  12. Sohogator

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    How are you personally being screwed by Joe Biden. In your own words. I just checked by ass and it’s intact. Maybe you have a nightly visitor you don’t remember?
     
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  13. AgingGator

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    My youngest daughter is a teacher. She has been diligently saving to buy her own house for over four years. She has saved a lot of money. Enough for 20% of the 2020 price of what she wants. But prices have risen at over 3X the amount she has saved in that time. Additionally, interest rates have doubled in the last 18 months alone. That is all on Biden, the Dems.

    She is fortunate that her mother and I can help her out. Many of her friends don’t have that help available.

    Many of my 1-2 year new college hires make about 25-30% more than my daughter. Three years ago, they moved in with a roommate when they found one they liked to save some $. Now it is an absolute necessity with rent prices.

    Do we need to get into food?
     
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  14. Sohogator

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    In your own words please tell us how Joe Biden caused that So you don’t look totally ridiculous don’t mention the $1.9T stimulus package (impactful only on the margin) and dwarfed by Trumps package. Also do not mention oil drilling.

    Await with amusement.
     
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  15. AgingGator

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    I had no problem with the first aid package. Given what had been done it was necessary. The second was either unnecessary or should have been very targeted. The third was totally unnecessary. The Fed also contributed by keeping rates so long and throwing fuel on the fire. It didn’t take long for the fire to get out of control.
     
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  16. BLING

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    It’s called free market capitalism Comrade, when there is no work a lot of those people go home. The flow of immigrants (even illegal ones) correlates with the ebbs and flows of the economy.

    If we had a “guest worker” program it would be quite easy to adjust the number of work visas to be more aligned w/ the demand for immigrant/migrant labor. Agriculture is likely pretty steady, but construction is more prone to boom and bust cycles. Either way, there’s value in allowing more “legal” workers to line up with the free market demand for it. It narrows down the field to enforce against illegal operators (human traffickers, people paying immigrants less than min. wage, etc).
     
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  17. GatorJMDZ

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    The obsession continues, but in more graphic detail.
     
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  18. AgingGator

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    The Dems did two packages. Technically Trump signed the second and foolishly supported it, but never would have got it if he had won. Studies in 2021/2022 estimated that between the three stimulus checks and lowered interest rate, $11T in liquidity was pumped into the economy in 12-18 months subsequent to 04/2020
     
  19. middleoftheroadgator

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    Corporations and hedge funds were buying property in large quantities across the country. Then, renting out the properties. Appreciation plus equity compounded with the hot market. It was only a matter of when, not if. Biden has NOTHING to do with real estate prices. Oil companies had a $4.5 TRILLION profit in 2022. TRILLION. Triple the norm. What does Biden have to do with that? Everything that goes wrong isn't Biden's fault and it wasn't Trump's fault either. We are part of a GLOBAL market and not free of global forces.
     
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  20. Sohogator

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    I told you not to cite that. As I already posted in another thread the consensus among Economists was that the 1.9T package added less than 1% to inflation with most saying less than .5% and as noted it was far less than trumps package.

    So please again how did Joe Biden ream your ass and that of your daughter’s without lube?

    Waiting impatiently

    Edit I can help you out with the housing inadequate housing/Apartment stock and Mass migration to large metro area. Ie supply and demand.
     
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