Home Depot's co-founder says the rise of 'socialism' is making people too lazy, fat and stupid to wo

Yes, you are a real ray of sunshine around here.

 

You are one gigantic dark cloud, constantly looming over TH.

 

Weird OP. It sounds like you are saying your son is too “lazy, fat, and stupid” to work for this guy. Or, are there other reasons why he doesn’t want to be a chimney sweep?

 

yeah maybe if you’re a mechanic at a car dealership or a cashier but study after study proves the point. People who actually do work remotely on a hybrid schedule are happier and more productive. I bust my ass when at home. I’m cranking out financial reports and analysis while dealing with 100+ incoming emails teams messages and zoom calls. But I can roll out of bed at 7:45 and usually end by 5:30, work out at lunch, prep dinner make some personal calls and walk the dog. I’ll never go back full time and my company doesn’t want me to because it would diminish productivity and they don’t have the footprint. Thousands of people work there and we we all hot desk.

 

My HS students have what I would call misplaced ethics. They are under the impression that very ordinary people who do ordinary things get rich as a matter of routine.

And in their experiences that is often true. The folks are unspectacular but also work at a defense contractor or a lobbying group and are indeed killing life. They don’t understand why they would waste time on a single thing that doesn’t result in immediate reward. The first question every single time: “Is this graded?” Because if it isn’t, they simply won’t do it.

And they work hard avoiding uncompensated work. More effort to avoid the effort than the effort in question requires. Seeing all that material and instruction I post every day on Schoology: practically impossible. Scouring the county website for a policy published exactly one time two years ago, 30 layers deep and in exactly one place that no one has ever even accidentally stumbled upon, and then word-whipping it like seasoned lawyers to support their invented contention that I am not allowed to do whatever it is I just said we are doing: North Korean crypto pirate hacker skills.

 

Seemingly tangential but also inadvertently relevant to Bernie Marcus

 

Are you saying that the lower level work for the two degrees is the same (less electives) and the upper level work is 75% common?

 

I was inarticulate and you are correct. What I was trying to say is legal immigration already occurs here in the United States at a much higher rate than other 1st world countries. Most of the illegals here (who are doing the manual labor and home repair type work) don't want you flooding the market with more cheap labor and then taxing them on top of that. At some point, you're gonna be back to square one and they aren’t going to be motivated any more than the current younger generation to take on these jobs.

For another debate, another day, the older generation does have a point in that we have transitioned as a country from a manufacturing based economy to a services economy, which has led to younger generations having an expectation of having an office job of some sort.

Also, I’m not exactly okay with the moral implications of importing illegal aliens as a means to have someone to do menial jobs. That sounds like another manifestation of slavery to me. Right now, the illegals love it, because they can make a phenomenal living (comparatively) if they do good work and do so under the table (no taxation). So they’re not exactly giddy about you bringing in millions more when they had to risk hell and high water to get here and can make a lot more money than they ever have before.

 

So you think it is morally wrong and akin to slavery to bring in immigrants to do hard work (which they are eager to do and is certainly better than what they are doing elsewhere) yet the premise of the thread is that because younger Americans won’t do it they are lazy.

Do you see the disconnect? The criticism is coming from all angles.

 

I double majored in history and economics with no trouble because the basic coursework was the same and I was able to use core classes for one as electives for the other. Took just a few credits out of my way. Same principle with most liberal arts majors.

 

Under the current system, illegals can make a decent living for themselves, but they do so at the risk of being apprehended and they are evading taxation (also risky). If you legalize mass immigration, those wages will be depressed and they’ll have to pay taxes on their earnings. They will inevitably be forced into menial labor jobs that pay very little. It’s a lot easier to get by when you have restricted competition and the government isn’t confiscating 35% of your earnings.

I see this as totally unrelated to today’s youth who want it handed to them. I’m not even 100% on board with that narrative. There are quite a few gen z’s out there who are very hard workers.

 

OK I will play.

name, a socialist state, county, or city, with specific examples of Socialism in each

 

Ok well I don’t think anybody (with half a brain)is for open borders and unlimited illegal immigration. But we do have a labor shortage and I do think we should take advantage (not exploit) those who want to come here and work, and there should be various programs for legalizing based upon certain criteria, including guest workers, and a rigorous process for permanent legalization. I’d prefer we be more selective in the process.

The big problem right now is our refugee/ asylum process is broken and needs to be fixed. Seems to me we should have locations in Mexico and other central/South American countries where they apply for asylum, and they aren’t admitted until it’s approved. If they come to the US border they aren’t admitted, except under very specific circumstances, however we wish to define them.

 

If you want to improve the asylum system, improve the processing time for cases. Don't try to trap people seeking asylum in unsafe countries.

 

I hear people all day long saying study after study. I used to hear that on the four day work week as well. Haven’t seen anything yet to make the case one way or another on either.

 

We have somewhat a labor shortage today. As in right now at this stage, today. But history has taught us that won’t last forever. Economies cycle. So what happens when the unemployment rate begins to climb and we have flooded the market with millions more looking for a job?

 

Also the laws, unfortunately, which have very narrow definitions for the right to asylum

 

There are lots of other countries they can go to and stay in while they wait. But I am all for speeding up the process, no argument there.

Would you agree that a lot of these seeking asylum, while probably deserving at some level, and not to minimize the hardship that drove them there, probably don’t really qualify for asylum?

 

Dude, you need to learn to look at the big picture. These “people like him” have also done a lot of good things for people, Marcus in particular. Oh wait, I forgot, he supported Trump.

 

I think this is a very accurate assessment.

Many of my mentees have asked me over the years; “How do I get an office like this”? I always answer the same; by working harder than everyone else and getting results. Some get it, some want to put their 40 hours in and bitch when then they compensated in the middle to lower brackets.