Lock him up! CNN reports Trump to be indicted

Problem with your argument that Trump had the ability to declassify is the Espionage Act doesn't require a document to be declassified. And nuclear secrets shouldn't be kept on a ballroom stage or bathroom shower.

Furthermore, the Presidential Records Act clearly states these docs belonged in possession of NARA. Trump obstructed when he lied and purposely hid the docs. And regardless of the classification level, Trump is still likely guilty of Espionage Act and PRA violations.

 

Sorry I’m bored after the 80th installment of “gotcha Trump!”, but this has been going on since 2016. They have literally been looking for the gotcha for 7 years and at some point, America’s gotta realize it’s being led down a dark path.

 

Go read that section of the Espionage Act or any other section you chose. You are the AG of the US for one day. What section of the Espionage Act did Hillary Clinton violate? No "all of it" nonsense, it doesn't work that way. If you don't know what specific law she violated, you have no business whining about her not getting charged. Remember, the emails were stored electronically/digitally on a server, not in paper form in big file boxes like those that recently inundated Mar-a-Lago. The section of the Espionage Act that is apparently your fallback violation was written in 1917. That might present just a tiny bit of a problem for you since Al Gore wasn't born until 1948. You should probably consider the rule of lenity, such as it is in the federal court system, while making your charging decision.

Oh, and so you don't go down in history as bigger failure than Durham, make it a charge you actually have some reasonable chance of winning.

Charge her or admit you can't.

 

Trying so hard, lol. Bless your heart.

 

And you still haven't answered a single question.

 

. You live in a non-factual world. Trump literally told someone that he couldn’t go public that Milley drew up war plans which were in his bass and were secret and he couldn’t declassify them anymore to respond to Milley. It’s in the indictment. Like most of MAGA, you live in a radicalized reality. Just so is a favor: spare us the sanctimony. He didn’t declassify t he m and didn’t declassify the nuclear secrets. Only a fool believed he declassified any of these documents while president and he has no power to do so after he left office

 

I think he is very much capable of that. I think he's capable of "reasoning" through it like Mike Flynn did. Once Mike Flynn decided that the Obama Administration was not taking the correct approach to the War on Terror, in his estimation, he had no problem selling out US interests, because he believed they were illegitimate and/or misguided and harmful.

I could see Trump making the same calculation on numerous fronts

 

Since you are ignorantly wrong or intentionally misleading, it would seem you are working a bit hard at this. From Amer. Bar Assoc. Oct. 24 , 2022 "
Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.

In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said." Care to explain?

 

“Some secrets” and you know for a fact this indictment (which is still sealed) accuses the president of holding such a document? I know they’re saying he had a document concerning a foreign country’s nuclear program. But you know for fact that document violates the stipulation above or are you just speculating?

 

Your post " I think Trump’s legal team will argue he took the documents at a time when it was perfectly legal for him to declassify anything he wanted to and while he didn’t technically declassify them, he had a right to declassify them and are we really going to prosecute ex-presidents over technicality? Even former presidents are privy to future CIA briefings if they so choose, after they leave office.

When you put it in that light, it illustrates the frivolous nature of the charges."

Since you incorrectly stated the team could declassify anything... and it's also incorrect where you stated former presidents are privy to future CIA briefings if they so choose. Another fail. Former presidents MAY be invited by the sitting Pres. IF he/she chooses.

 

Trump didn’t declassify any of the documents. That is a lie. And if any president were to declassify these documents, not tell anyone and keep them after they leave office, that person is not fit to be elected again.

 

Anyone who thinks this is petty is totally clueless on national security

 

Exactly. I'm surprised how many are willing to engage the Hillary distraction.

 

The indictment is not sealed. There's a full link to it on this link. Read it yourself, and maybe you can begin to educate yourself.

There's no mention of Trump's ability to declassify in the indictment. Why? Because it had me relevance and bearing on the case. Trump is being charged under the Espionage Act and Presidental Records Act on charges that don't require any classification. I'm not trying hard at all. This is high school level civics, and don't need a law degree to understand it.

 

If it even goes to trial, good luck finding a jury of 12 in south Florida where at least one isn't diehard MAGA. Most likely you're going to have 5 or 6 Trump voters on that jury, at least. Judge isn't going to allow the DOJ to stack the deck against a former president.

 

Tip: You should take up music. It kicks your a$$ to the point that you no longer need meaningless/irrelevant excuses. You just make it happen or don't. I wish you all the best. Perhaps voice or accordion.

 

You are correct. trump's opportunity to make this case was during the original suit with Cannon, which he didn't even try because it was so laughable.

 

Wowser - you're still on this. Are ya vying for some Too Hot distinction/award? Good luck with it!

 

They might, and it would be a joker line like Rudy, Jenna Ellis, Krakenstein, etc. Lawyers working hard to get segments on OAN.

 

Round two of the spin-cycle express: I'll open with "But Clinton, Obama, & Bush" for 100 Alex.

Being very friendly by isolating only the "but the other Prezs did it too" angle." There were several other wildly inane suggestions, which didn't make the cut.

Alex, can I get "This is only concurrently valid" for 300?

Alex, can I get "His crime may or not be lesser, I really don't understand how the courts work" for 400?

Alex, can I get "I admit he screwed up, but Biden & Hillary might have screwed up much less" for 500?

Alex, can I get "I'll play the party line and pretend not to understand why the pubs fake it" for 600?

Alex, can I get weak obfuscation for 700?

Alex, can I get "I've lost all hope and can only try to manufacture stupid shit arguments" for 900?

Can I get "You won and I'm pissed" for $1000?

Can I get "But the banana republics, even though several posters have quashed this stupid point, I'm still ready to trot it out"

Alex, can I get "i'm really desperate to find one final out" for $1100?

Alex, can I get "this is all a charade, despite the reality" for

Alex, can I get "your argument is so sound that I can just try to ignore it" for $1300.

Alex, can I get "I'm so wrong here that I have to play the 'I'm bored' card" for #1400?

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