Lock him up! CNN reports Trump to be indicted

Pardon? And pardon the migrant flights?

What a pile of partisan crap.

The GOP gave Trump all this power over the party. Now, it is time to pay up. You don't get to do the "both sides" thing. This will cost the party at the polls. I can see part of the base refusing to vote in the national election. Won't vote Blue so they just won't vote. It will hurt at multi-levels.

 

You can always find differences if you look hard enough.

A solid case can be made that all of them broke a provision of the Espionage Act, which is really what sparked all of this in the first place. Yet, only one of them was indicted for it.

If you guys can't see how that is a bad look in any way, I don't know what to tell you. I get it if you're PR for the Justice Department, I can't if you're just some guy on a message board who wants a fair and impartial justice system that conducts itself valuing blind justice and integrity.

 

Where's the outrage from our military folks?

 

I see where your "intellectual" honesty has gone on another vacay. ALL 4 paragraphs I copied and pasted were from the article you linked to....each of the four, word for word from your linked article.

 

Nope. You simply lack the ability to properly and critically analyze different situations that might involve a common issue.

You are correct about one thing, however, there isn't much you could possibly explain to most of us.

 

The President has pardon power for a reason.

It's a middle ground reset. Trump is taken out of the race, but is taken out of jail after the election. Frankly, ya'll still win on that deal yet you're still complaining. Which is why I don't care about some of you guys complaining.

Yeah and maybe that price is Trump being effectively forced out of the race by the Justice Department. I don't know if that happens, but I'm playing out the scenarios in my head trying to think of an ideal fair outcome for everyone here that restores some faith in our institutions and this notion of equal justice under the law.

The easy choice is to turn around and weaponize the DOJ against the very officials pushing this. But we can't live in a country like that. And I don't want Trump's jackassery to be the thing that pushes us there.

We need to restore faith in our institutions.

 

I think that's actually you, which is why all you do is attack my character and ability now rather than argue the issues.

I guess I overestimated you considering that you're a lawyer.

 

I do agree with all of that yes.

 

I might go along with a commutation of a jail sentence as a way to move the country forward, but a pardon is full restitution of rights and acting like nothing ever happened. That would be COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE under these circumstances.

What Trump is accused of doing here with national defense information here is so egregious. Sentences are punishment, but they're also deterrents against future actions by others. We have to set a firm example that this activity is not acceptable. The fact that some members of the republican party are still giving full throated defenses of Trump on this is frankly disgusting.

 

Clinton, Pence, Biden, and even Colin Powell broke the law. But not charging them isn't a double standard. The DOJ has standards they have used to decide whom to indict for decades.

These standards include but aren't limited to cooperation with the Feds to return all docs, threat level assessment of any potential leak, and intent or reason a person has the docs.

With Pence and Biden, they cooperated fully in the return of all docs. The threat was likely very low, and unless new info comes out, they both kept the docs by mistake. The DOJ not charging Pence is consistent with their precedents, and I don't expect Biden to face any either. With Hillary, threat level was low, and her intent was to comply with the law as best as possible. Much of the classified emails were marked C after receipt and after Hillary responded in order to continue the conversation, it must be moved to a more secure venue.

Trump? Opposite of cooperation. He lied and purposely moved boxes to hide them. Risk? Bigger than anyone imagined. And intent? We know he used them to brag about his own self importance. And with the Iran doc still missing, it's possible he may have profited off some docs as well.

It's not a double standard to charge Trump and not the others. It's consistent application of prosecutorial discretion the DOJ has been using for years. If the DOJ indicted everyone who has a classified doc they shouldn't have, there would be hundreds of cases a year. But most fall into the realm of Pence, and no charges ever come. But Trump? Considering all the facts, the DOJ had to charge.

 

In the case of Trump, if you're worried about national security clearance, provided that the DOJ got everything, I don't think that will be a long term issue because Trump will be 80 by 2028 anyways.

As far as the rest, valid points.

Definitely a pickle, no doubt. I just think it's a dangerous game if we start prosecuting all of these politicians. Potential for corruption there is extraordinary.

 

Clearly you don't understand what I was replying "wrong" to.

Frankly pathetic for a lawyer.

 

from the article linked in the tweet...but why would DOJ file this case in that district if it increased the odds of this partisan hack being assigned? and they still do not quantify the number of judges int he random pool that she was selected from.

Will the DOJ move to have her recuse herself?


All of which means that Cannon was likely randomly selected once again to preside over the case of the former President who appointed her to the bench. On its face, this is a seemingly unlikely outcome. According to the internal operating procedures in the Southern District of Florida, new cases are randomly distributed among the district’s 15 active judges and 11 senior status judges.

Yet those odds change when one considers the import of the Southern District of Florida’s “one division rule.” Under that rule, cases are randomly assigned either to judges in the division where a new case originates or a neighboring division. Cases that originate in Miami, for example, would usually go to judges who preside in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, or Key West. Meanwhile, cases that originate in West Palm Beach would typically be assigned to judges sitting in West Palm Beach, Fort Lauderdale, or Fort Pierce.

Under these rules, you would be forgiven for thinking that Judge Cannon—a Fort Pierce judge who also keeps chambers in West Palm Beach—could not be assigned to Trump’s case, which was filed in the Miami division. After all, neither the Fort Pierce division nor the West Palm Beach division border the Miami division. But it appears that Trump’s case originated in West Palm Beach, not Miami. Reports indicate that the grand jury that handed down Trump’s indictment was a West Palm Beach grand jury sitting in Miami as a result of COVID-19 safety protocols. And the Justice Department selected the West Palm Beach division on its filing sheet in the indictment. It is thus likely that the case was designated as originating in the West Palm Beach division—meaning that Cannon would have been eligible for assignment to Trump’s case as a judge who sits in that division and the neighboring Fort Pierce. What’s more, the odds of her selection would be considerably higher within the smaller pool of judges drawn from the assignment wheel in the West Palm Beach division.

However Cannon ended up assigned to the case, it is unclear whether she will remain on board past the arraignment—and, if she does, what impact her assignment might have on the case. For now, Judge Cannon’s history with the case might reasonably lead one to conclude that her assignment is a disaster for the special counsel and a boon for Trump. But Cannon, a former prosecutor, is no stranger to criminal trials. Nor is the forthcoming criminal trial likely to implicate the same unusual circumstances and consideration of open-ended equitable principles as the debate over the special master did, at least in her view. And it remains to be seen whether the sharp rebuke she received from a panel of her colleagues on the Eleventh Circuit—each appointed by Republican Presidents—has tempered her apparent inclination to mangle the law in favor of the former President.

 

that's the peculiar thing. the maga crowd think that trump is one of them when he wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire unless they could pay him for the privilege first

 

92 has changed his tune. maybe there is hope that others can see just how bad dt really is

 

Super weird that some people think if we don't treat a former President as above the law, we're a "banana republic." You'd have an argument if this was just about Trump taking documents, if Trump had returned the documents upon the request. But that isn't what happened here. We broke with Britain because we wanted Presidents, not Kings. Presidents are not above the law or immune to it.

 

does it matter what is in the classified documents? One a battle plan and assesment of our nuclear capabilities and weaknesses and the other minutes of a meeting with a foreign diplomat?

does it matter if one group voluntarily gave up anythign that was found and offered the DOJ the opportunity tos earch anywhere and everywhere they wanted and one intentionally hid documents that are still missing

it's like saying both were speeding. one doing 100 while drunk and killing a dozen kids in a school zone and the other doing 10 mph over the limit on a deserted highway. both speeding, give em the same punishment

 

that fat deal he just signed with KSA and Oman was likely the payoff