Lock him up! CNN reports Trump to be indicted

You do know that Tom Fitton isn’t a lawyer either?

 

Your buddy was right. Are you friends with Aileen Cannon?

 

I'm not following. 31 of 37 what?

Still not sure what you're getting at, but nobody has charged a political opponent of anything. Biden is not the AG or the special prosecutor.

The SP who is charging Trump is apolitical, has no party affiliation, and indicted based on a mountain of facts demonstrating a ton of major crimes and clear criminal knowledge and intent.

Also, Biden is not under investigation, so that last point is moot. Some House pubs are trying to make it look like he is, which is their strategy to try to defend Trump in this matter, because the QOP is no longer a political party; they are Trump's defense team.

I'm not defending anyone. None of them are my friends. Especially not Pence and Rove. But they did nothing that broke the law with intent, as far as anyone knows. And there has never been a credible pretext to investigate any of them, including Hillary (the pretext was purely politically driven).

They should absolutely be charged only if they knowingly broke the law. There is no evidence any of them did. Not in classified doc handling, at least.

I am pretty sur you would be treated very similarly. If you accidentally took them home, and returned them immediately upon discovery, and did nothing illegal with them in your possession, you might get discipline from your boss, might get fired, but you'd never get prosecuted. Reality Winner was prosecuted not because she accidentally took a document home - but because she was found to have systematically searched for documents showing Russian interference, stole the first one she found, and gave it to an online newspaper. Criminal intent and criminal disposition of the document. Neither exist for any of those previous politicians, but both are omnipresent in the Trump case.

They are not the same thing on any level.

 

I think this is very revealing.

You're acting like it's BS.

Suggests that you really do know he's guilty, but you're just pushing the lie, like all those who pushed The Big Lie about election fraud, even though they knew there was none.

 

Trump obviously realized they weren’t “legally obtained”, hence his efforts to lie about them, move them around, inquire about destroying them, etc. Gatorben answered succinctly. If he was entitled to those documents, the legal move is to quash the subpoena. Lying = coverup. You know what they say, the coverup is worse than the crime. In this case it really isn’t (considering the national security implications), but the coverup cements the obvious criminal intent.

It’s actually quite a crazy case, even by Trump standards. Especially with him waving those Iran documents around in front of people and essentially admitting in a crowded room the wrongdoing that he would later lie to the feds about.

 

Trump didn't not legally obtain the records. The Presidential Records Act is clear that all records are transferred into NARA custody the moment the President leaves office. To claim otherwise is to clearly be misinformed. And why a Judge could legally sign a subpoena and then subsequent warrant to attain the records from Trump.

The DOJ is also following precedence. When people with classified docs that shouldn't have them cooperate with the Feds, charges rarely follow. Don't cooperate by lying about having the docs, then charges almost always follow.

 

No? I thought there was a resemblance, and her glasses seemed to have the same frame. I'll bet you've met her, or at least seen her in person.

 

Agree completely on the Trump case.

All the onesy-twosey docs, like what Biden and Pence had, are understandable. They handle classified and unclassified documents constantly. It’s nearly impossible to imagine they’d never get some in the wrong stack and bring them home with work.

But Trump didn’t do work at the office, let alone home. And he didn’t carry them off shuffled accidentally in with unclassified docs. He directed aides to pack classified docs into boxes by the dozens, and load them into a truck and transfer them across country to Florida.

There is no way he should’ve been allowed to do that, and I suspect there may have been protocols in place to prevent it, and he ignored them like every other law and rule in his life. So like you said, there needs to be serious armed security around our records at all times to ensure this doesn’t happen again.

 

LOL. Your "constitutional lawyer" has a BA in English.

 

Trump's new lawyer is Todd Blanche. Any inside information about the guy from the TH lawyers?

 

you’ve mostly missed the pt of the role of control systems

 

Judicial Watch used to be run by an individual who was mostly known as a serial litigator of the Clinton’s. I think that was pretty much the purpose of the organization. At least that guy was a lawyer. He might have had the worst win % of all time, but by golly he was a real lawyer.

How did Judicial Watch get “taken over” by some guy with a BA in English???

 

Trump appointed Wray.

 

How does this apply to trump? I may be slow but this seems so off the topic.

 

Only because you live in a non-fact world. She deleted the emails and wiped the server after production to the FBI and when she was not under the compulsion of the subpoena. Unfortunately, the “lock her up crowd”
Don’t live in a world where facts or law matter.

 

To be fair, I think that guy also isn't a lawyer anymore. Klayman lost his law license for being...well...him.

 

If we don't have checks and balance then any presidential agency will be completely unfettered to go after their rivals. If Trump or someone like him gets elected will you still feel the same way if he uses his DOJ to go after Biden, Obama and Clinton for their classified documents?

I you say "NO" then you have a hypocritical view of this whole event happening to Trump. We cannot live in a country that has two sets of laws and two different enforcement applications of those SAME laws.

 

You sure hope so. The pinnacle of corrupt republicans fixers.

One flaw with that expectation: Roberts may refuse to take the case. I’m sure he’s sick of the theocratic frat party that has made a mockery of his court, and he knows exactly whose fault it is.

 

I gotcha. Sorry, my bad.