Just my opinion I thought that Bragg should have never indicted Trump on the payoff to Stormy Daniels. It seems to me that he would have actually had a much stronger case against Trump on the issue of the fraudulent valuation of properties specifically valuing the properties at a much higher amount when he proposed using them as collateral for loans while using a lower value for tax purposes. The stunt is currently being handled as a civil matter by the NY State AG and according to Mark Pomerantz, a recognized expert on white collar financial crimes who was originally retained as a special assistant DA by Cy Vance, Bragg's predecessor as DA, there was more than enough evidence to prosecute Trump on that issue. Former prosecutor claims Donald Trump ran an 'empire built on lies, inflated his worth by billions'
Wasn’t aware a POTUS could instigated an investigation There are so many adjectives. One just doesn’t it to the job. I’m just going to say it’s the best. News Evah!
You’re not staying on topic. Trump wasn’t indicted because he took classified documents. Literally every president, vice president, chief of staff, etc., have taken classified documents out of the Library of Congress to places they are technically not supposed to be. It is common place, and never prosecuted, because when discovered, they immediately return them. And they don’t use them for personal benefit. Trump took them with intent. He ordered over a dozen boxes full of them to be taken to his estate. He lied about them. He kept them. He lied about them some more. He defied subpoenas. After they were confiscated, he lied about them some more. Several highly classified documents were missing and are still missing. We will soon in’s out if the DOJ discovered that he sold them for profit. He publicly made statements about selling them for money, he publicly made statements that he declassified them through some magical mental process, he publicly made statements that these classified documents belong to him, and he publicly made statements that he knew it was illegal and he did it anyway because he felt as president he can do anything you wants. THAT is why he was indicted. Not because he took home a few classified documents. It doesn’t exist, because no conflation or similarity exists between what was done by all those others throughout history - democrats AND republicans - and what Trump did. People like you keep screaming that this persecution and prosecution of a former president is unprecedented. Well, duh. Of course it is. Because no president in our history has ever committed this many or this level of federal crimes. Please show me where in our legal statutes where it says we should not or cannot apply the law to criminals if their crimes have never been committed by others before.
Whiff. We've gone full banana republic. I won't be joining you in your celebration. What??? Brainwarshed much? But at least you're having fun, right? NM the rest. Waste of time. You think 'our side' is a cult? Not much convo to be had after that. Bye.
It’s right in line with “hang Mike pence” and attacking the capitol police on 1/6. So much for “law and order” or loyalty to the country. It’s 100% freakish loyalty to Trump. This guy defended those 1/6 rioters, probably thinks they are “political prisoners”. Buys in to every propaganda video to justify it all (he was pimping 2000 mules bigly as I recall, did he ever admit that was all bs… of course not… he just moves on to the next bs in defense of lord Trump). How else do you arrive at a member of the armed services “not giving a shit” about their country!? Dude tosses around commie and banana Republic so loosely, but hasn’t got a clue he’s the commie. Rather sad given that he claims to be of Cuban descent. There’s something seriously wrong there. On a tangent - was watching HBO’s “White House Plumbers” the other day, which reminded me of the Cubans involvement in the Watergate scandal. I was thinking how weird it is that all these years later the GOP is still messing around and manipulating the Cuban community. Not that 92 was at 1/6, but there were several Cuban Americans there and some Vietnamese there, and like 92, they actually believe they are righteously fighting communism by overthrowing an election. That Trump (similar to Nixon) is their champion of freedom! It’s weird man.
Get back to us when a the statutes are revised to provide immunity from being charged with a crime " because someone else did something wrong". What a vapid defense!
Prison time was never the point. The point is to discredit, shut down, shut up, castrate and silence political opposition by gestapo like intimidation. Straight from the banana republic commie playbook. You're the one missing the point, if you think a damn near octogenarian avoiding prison time, is any kind of victory. Justice system weaponized and deployed, is an unmitigated disaster for rule of law, fair treatment under the law, and justice. ...it is in fact, rule of tyranny's number one weapon of subservience of its subjects. There is ALWAYS a pretense of actual court proceedings. "Show me the man I'll show you the crime."
The problem with republicans, however is that they won’t. They won’t ever think differently, no matter how many facts are presented. Because all they care about is what they believe, but what they know. TDS did one of their great MAGA-on-the street segments recently where they kept asking questions of a MAGA cult member, what if it’s proven Trump did this? And this? And this? And this?…and the MAGA lady finally said - paraphrasing - “Well then yeah, if they prove that he did all that, he should go to jail”….then he revealed to her that all those things had in fact been proven. She paused. She looked around. She looked back at him and said, “I don’t care! I’m supporting him anyway!” They simply don’t care. They truly don’t care. They don’t care about anything, seriously nothing under the sun, except whatever their cult leaders tell them to believe. And they will literally kill or die for that fiction. This is the definition of being in a cult. And I don’t mean to be symbolic here. It is in according-to-Hoyle cult. That’s what they are. I guarantee you, once Trump is in federal prison, 92 and all the rest of them will still be clinging to the same old lies and obfuscation that Trump and the right wing media have fed them. No amount of proof, no amount of evidence seen by their lying eyes will ever be enough to overcome what they believe or what they want to be reality. Short of tectonic and painful life changes, only mental deprogramming will ever make them reconnect with reality. And they will never go through that reprogramming, so they are lost forever.
Can’t New York amend their indictment, or do a separate indictment? Or is this the one they said they weren’t pursuing criminal charges against Trump the individual (just Trump Organization?). I didn’t follow this one closely (not that anyone can actually follow all Trumps crimes), I just know there was some back and forth about how much Weisselberg actually cooperated with the prosecutors in that Trump org fraud case. It seems he only cooperated partially along with his guilty plea. Ot at least that was the last impression I read.
Hi VA - Turns out the "Ten Billion Dollar Man" as he proclaimed was worth what? 1/10th of that? And those assets incumbered by god knows how many liens, law suits, fradulent accounting etc. Everything I read suggests most if not all Trump ventures are "bleeding" red by the gallon. He better have a money printer too because when the GOP idiots funding this moron get tired of the "loser play" Trump may be in in Queens with a collection cup in his hand.
Sounds like your friend heard correctly. Federal judge appointed by Trump assigned to hear criminal case against the former president Federal District Judge Aileen Cannon, an appointee of Donald Trump, has been initially assigned to oversee the new federal criminal case against the former president in Miami, two sources familiar with the matter tell CNN. Cannon emerged in the public spotlight last year when she was oversaw court proceedings related to the FBI’s search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida. Cannon took a number of extraordinary steps in her handling of the dispute over a so-called special master, who reviewed the documents seized at Mar-a-Lago, raising eyebrows even among legal experts on the right.
So basically, Republicans will continue committing crimes and weaponing government for political purposes? Like Watergate, Kenneth Star, 1000 Benghazi Hearings, “Lock Her Up”, Attacks on FBI, John Durham’s attempt to “investigate the investigators”? Yeah, probably.
He's admitted to the crimes. The evidence is rock solid. The only argument you have is that politicians should never be prosecuted because it might be for political purposes. That puts politicians above the law which spits in the face of the legal system and The Constitution.
Yep, I thought about adding something to this thread, but you’ve already said everything I was going to say. We will remember this. And they will cry when the shoe is on the other foot. And we won’t care because they did this.
Of course I was for less than he was an accused….because the accusations were false. They were a pretense for a fishing expedition. And all they caught was a single semantic wiggle under oath in answer to a question that had nothing to do with a single accusation or a single impeachable offense. It’s amazing that you don’t realize you were making the case against your position. Decades ago? More proof of the fact that this stuff doesn’t get prosecuted because it literally never happens…inI’m Trump. A different America? Absolutely. And who made it a differ America? Who organized and unleashed a basket of deplorables who have poisoned the national discourse with vile filth and waged war against everything decent in our society? Hint: he’s your orange god who just got indicted. Again. Both impeachments were saturated with empirically validated evidence that he committed high crimes. Just because Trump and your right wing talking heads say it was a witch hunt, doesn’t hangs the facts. This is the alternate reality in which you live. [quoe]...and Biden's classified docs wasnt him cooperating--that didnt happen until he was caught...by his own doj, and thus soft peddled. YEARS after the fact....[/quote] More “alternate facts.” I’m sorry you have such a hard time accepting that you can’t alter reality just because you and Fox News wants it to be altered, but the rest of the world must live in reality. Where facts matter. Where evidence matters. And where convicted criminals behind podcast microphones don’t. Again I’ll ask: if all the evidence was buried, how do you know any evidence exists? Because Trump and Fox News and right wing podcaster say so? Is here any actual evidence that evidence exists? I honestly don’t understand how someone can get to adulthood without grasping these concepts. Do you understand what proof means? What evidence means? Do you understand the word ‘tangible?’ Please explain the difference between a Weaponized DOJ prosecuting political enemies without merit… And a regular DOJ, prosecuting criminals, who just happened to be in the party opposite of the president, based on mountains of evidence, found incriminating them in the commission of major crimes. Because, in reality, in the real world, the difference is evidence. You claim there is all this evidence that no one has ever seen… While the evidence being used to convict all of these Republicans in the Trump orbit, and Trump himself, has been seen, has been presented in court, has been considered by judges, some of them, Trump, appointees, to be valid and unimpeachable hard evidence. Meanwhile, the only evidence for your claims continue to be words streaming out of the mouths of confirmed liars and convicted criminals. And “confirmed liars” and “convicted criminals” are not insults. They are empirical, factual, demonstrable descriptions. It is because we live in the real world. It is because we know what it means to know something. It is because we know that in order to credibly accuse, and legally indict, prosecute and convict criminals, you have to have what is known as evidence. It is because we know that profiteering propagandists just saying stuff is not evidence.
