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Private jet crashes after being intercepted after flying over the Capitol

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by tampagtr, Jun 4, 2023.

  1. tampagtr

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    Unclear if it was forced down or crashed on its own

     
  2. WarDamnGator

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    From what I read yesterday, the pilot was unresponsive and eventually crashed on it's own. There were 4 people on the flight. Makes me wonder if something happened where they all passed out or something...
     
  3. ncargat1

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    Possible decompression of the jet? This could be another Payne Stewart type event, just had the misfortune of flying over the US capital??
     
  4. tampagtr

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    Looks like a tragic loss of life. Apparently the sonic boom was heard by many
     
  5. OklahomaGator

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    I would guess depressurization. From the descriptions I heard of the passengers though, even if the pilot had a heart attack, I doubt anyone on board could fly the plane and it just flew until it ran out of fuel.
     
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  6. channingcrowderhungry

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    Yeah. A lit of online reports yesterday of the boom on the east coast. Makes sense now.
     
  7. G8trGr8t

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    the thing that doesn't make sense is that the plane turned around and headed back south. If they knew they had a problem, ti would seem that they would have went to oxygen, declared a state of emergency or something. the u-turn is highly suspicious to me.

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  8. WarDamnGator

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    Yeah, just saw that reported. It was supposed to land in Long Island, but instead, made a U-turn over Long Island and headed back near the path it came from. But it does look like it continued on a straight path after that, which could be a sign of an incapacitated pilot after the turn, I guess ... Also a pretty good chance it ran out of gas since it flew about 175% of its original course.
     
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  9. vaxcardinal

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    I saw the jets scramble but didnt hear the sonic boom since I had my car radio on and the windows up
     
  10. BLING

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    I was thinking the same thing, but maybe whatever happened just coincidentally occurred right after the U-turn, and it depressurized and coasted after that. That’s a long way to fly back if it was a plane related emergency, maybe it was some other unrelated reason for the U-turn itself (or the u-turn was simultaneous with a depressurization and auto-pilot coasted them in a straight line). I assume the jets were scrambled only on the return trip when it flew over D.C.

    I guess whether there is any reason to be suspicious depends on the identity of pilot and passengers, the purpose of the trip, etc.
     
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  11. sierragator

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    CT peeps will have fun with this one.
     
  12. VAg8r1

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    Already mentioned but there is remarkable similarity to the crash that killed Payne Stewart.
    Fatal Virginia 'ghost plane' crash echoes death of PGA golfer Payne Stewart
    I also found this article involving a similar crash of a Cessna Citation in which the pilot was able to advise ATC regarding a problem with pressurization before he apparently lost consciousness.
    2022 Baltic Sea Cessna Citation crash - Wikipedia
    The aircraft, which was approved for operation with one pilot, took off from Jerez in southern Spain.[7] According to reports from Bild, the pilot reported a cabin pressure problem shortly before ATC contact was lost. The Cessna 551 Citation II was flying at 36,000 feet (11,000 m) at the time.[8][9]

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    Shortly after its entry into French airspace, around 14:25 UTC, the Cessna was intercepted by one Dassault Rafale, scrambled from Mont-de Marsan air base. A second Rafale from Saint-Dizier air base took over the interception. The Cessna was continuously followed by the French Air Force until it reached Cologne, around 15:57 UTC, when the German Air Force took over.[10] Two German Eurofighter Typhoon jets were scrambled from the Rostock-Laage air base at 16:15 GMT to contact the aircraft crew and were unsuccessful. Shortly after Rügen, the German fighter pilots broke away at 16:50 GMT.[7] The plane entered Swedish airspace, where it flew south of Gotland and on towards the Gulf of Riga.[1]

    A Danish F-16 fighter jet took over the escort of the ghost flight. Later, the Danish Air Force said they could not see anybody in the cockpit after intercepting the plane.[7] The Danish jet pilots witnessed the plane going into a downward spiral and crashing 37 kilometres (23 mi; 20 nmi) off the shoreline of Latvia, far beyond the outer edge of the Latvian territorial sea, at around 17:45 GMT.[9]
     
  13. WarDamnGator

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    One thing I noticed, taking a closer look, Is that the plane doesn’t appear to have started to descend as it got close to its destination, Long Island, then it made the u turn. I’m assuming the different colors near its it’s take off point represent altitude. That seems odd. Makes me think something went wrong where the plane couldn’t/didn’t descend, but the pilot was still in control enough to make the u turn…
     
  14. G8trGr8t

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    Son is avgeek who claims that autopilot can be programmed to return to origination if pilot fails to engage at final waypoint bit I have no ide id that is true or not
     
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