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DeSantis--School Vouchers For All!

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by dynogator, Jun 5, 2023.

  1. dangolegators

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    Yep, the government provides a public school education to everyone. Don't want to send your kids to a public school? Fine, then pay for a private one. Can't afford a private school? Then make more money so you can.
     
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  2. dangolegators

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    Thanks for making my point for me. We all pay taxes for stuff that doesn't directly benefit us. You can put your kids in public school. If you don't like that option then you can pay for private school.
     
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  3. Gator715

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    Irrelevant distinction.

    The only relevance in highlighting that is the potential harm it will cause to a specific government group, in this case public schools. And I fail to see how harm to public schools is something to be concerned about if the harm is caused by a market preference towards private schools.

    The whole appeal to public schools is that it's free, not its teaching methods for a vast majority of Americans.

    You're just mad because you're about to see that reality in action.

    As far as the issue of the supplier increasing prices, that CAN be applied to housing, drug prices, healthcare... almost everything... and it happens first in the sectors with the most scarcity. You see either price increases or rationing.
     
  4. dynogator

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    While themselves being tax-exempt.
     
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  5. rivergator

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    If people decide to join private parks and clubs, should they get taxpayer money to pay their dues?
     
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  6. gator95

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    You don't understand that states are passing laws to allow people to use their taxpayer funds to send their kids to the school of their choice. This isn't a pipe dream like you said. It's actually happening. You are making up fantasy land ideas. That's the difference.
     
  7. gator95

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    No. In what way is a public park the same as a country club? I belonged to a country club for a few years and it had zero comparison to a public park.
     
  8. wgbgator

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    The whole point of vouchers is to transfer public money to those schools though lol.
     
  9. Gator715

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    The money is still going from better off people to worse off people. The better off people are just getting a slice of it back.

    The wealthy pay the bulk of taxes in this country. Tax income will be necessary to support the voucher program. Everyone gets a slice of it on the back end, but the wealthy paid a bigger slice into the voucher program in the first place.

    You can apply your logic to the public school system. "The cost of education will skyrocket if you promise public education for everybody, regardless of income level."

    What people are really mad about is the transfer of power and influence from public schools to private schools.
     
  10. Gator715

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    Want more kids to enroll in public school, make public schools more attractive to the typical American family beyond being free.
     
  11. gator95

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    No it isn't. Show me where the goal is to transfer public money to non accredited schools? I'll wait, I'm sure you have this "proof" somewhere LOL.
     
  12. Gator715

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    Well, we start doing that, and we'll start looking like California. :D

    And that's supposed to be a great place isn't it?
     
  13. BLING

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    Irrelevant distinction? Lolwut. Those other things as noted do not exist. So how did you think they were valid to compare to school vouchers?

    I quite literally have no dog in the fight or bias to be mad about. It’s not like I work for a public school. I just see bad policy. On the level of a county who gets mad at their public library’s book choices and ends up shutting down their library out of sheer pettiness. Legally, public schools will not be “shut down”. They will just have major resource issues in the years ahead that make current problems seem like child’s play. Actually as I said, I think this policy could be such a boondoggle for education that in 5-10 years it will have to be overhauled. There is just no way in hell the math adds up if you are giving families $30k-40k or more in vouchers. Especially those who have already made that choice of private education. That is a direct transfer from poor to wealthy with zero societal value, like a reverse Robin Hood situation.
     
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  14. dynogator

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    Well, unaccredited schools account for 70% of non-public schools, hence the focus.

    Problem solved? This government give-away is going to create a multitude of problems that Florida currently doesn't have.

    This seems to be DeS's modus operandi.
    1. Find a barely-existent problem
    2. Explode it into a high-priority crisis that requires a heavy-handed legislated solution.
     
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  15. wgbgator

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    The fact that they didnt put those restrictions in seems to indicate that it is. Its the perfect conservative policy, you can fund your religious school, your Bishop Sycamore sports factory, or just a cut cost money making scheme where the scam is education. If private schools have fared better, its because there are fewer and they are more selective of their students, that's it. This takes both of those things away. If it were about improving education, you could simply throw that money at public schools, teacher salaries, various social improvements that would facilitate educational achievement. This is all about diverting money to businesses tied up with conservative politics. Accreditation is for the libs and 'elitists.'
     
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  16. Mr_2Bytes

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    Question.... What if you dont have kids?...You still pay for public schools regardless, so should those people get their check as well? What if i would like to use that money towards my own education or training?
     
  17. dynogator

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    Setting aside issues of church/state and differing educational philosophies and curricula, I see absolutely no logic or rationale, in gifting coal to Newcastle (money to the rich.)
     
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  18. dangolegators

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    Absolutely. Send everyone in the state of Florida $8k per year.
     
  19. PITBOSS

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    It’s a relevant distinction. A concern is will all these schools that start popping up for vouchers provide a decent education. Post 24 above provides info/link it’s a big concern.
     
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  20. PITBOSS

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    Any teachers here? Maybe share your insights?