Disney You support?

No man, you're just a bigot and probably a racist. (heavy sarcasm)

 

Lol. I had 30 people wanting that job that likely would have made me as much money. It wasnt really in a department that influenced profits much (unless someone was just completely incompetent). This person just deserved the job. Had I chosen to hire on bias it would not have impacted the bottom line at all.

Its ok. I get that you wont take the L here. Thats a very Trumpian approach.

Fact is, I hired, kept and subsequently highly recommended this person when a new employer offered them something better.

Why? Because they deserved it. Period.

 

You said you hired the best person for the job, presumably that means the person that was best for your business and making you the most money. No reason to think Disney didnt hire the best person for the job at the dress shop too. Congratulations on being like Disney and putting business first.

 

It might also be consistent with my guess that the people who are outraged about this story probably were not going to Disney or watching their movies in recent years anyway. Disney has been socially liberal for many years, and the Pride events go back decades. Not saying those who object can't spread the word and convince people who may be on the fence to boycott, but it seems different than Bud Light, for example, which people note has/had a more conservative customer base.

 

You suck at logic. The swastika represented Nazis, a group that exterminated 12 million "undesirable" persons, including 6 million Jews. The white hood represents the KKK, a racist hate group that is responsible for lynchings and plenty of other hate crimes targeted at minorities, mostly people of African descent. The clothes themselves have a deeper meaning. What does a Fairy Godmother dress represent?

It's more than just the costume. It's what the costume represents.

 

So, when the purple-haired crowd stood outside the bakery with signs and refused to buy some cookies….was that bigotry or speech? Asking for a friend.

 

Its only a "dictionary" definition if you stop short of the whole reading of the definition.

And again where did I say they "can't be around".

If your resort has a drag show in the ballroom and you choose to take your kids down a different hallway to avoid the mature questions that a young kid may have, that isnt bigotry.

Do you take your kids to church? You do realize people who chose to avoid church and taking their kids there are not bigots right?

Are parental settings on your hulu account bigotry?

I mean again you are watering this down.

Rosa Parks faced bigotry.
Gays in an Orlando nightclub faced bigotry.

Me chosing a different door because I dont think my young children should see a man dressed that way at a young age is just parenting man.

 

Best person for the job isnt only about money. Thats often not my reasoning at all. I work for a non profit. Many of our positions have absolutely noting to do with margins and bottom lines.

 

This guy gets it.

 

Both. It was bigotry against anti-gay bigot bakers. Bigotry itself isn't always bad. I know many people who choose not to be around extremely negative people. In that sense, they are bigoted against them. But probably not a bad idea for their own mental health.

I try not to associate with people who are bigoted against race and LGBTQ+ myself. Not that I wouldn't treat them the same as any other person. Just given the choice, I would choose not to associate with them. Does that make me a bigot? Yes, but I can live with my choice not try and avoid people who are bigoted themselves against minority groups.

 

What clause am I missing? As I pointed out, avoiding people due to nothing more than group membership is a form of intolerance based on group membership. That is the definition.

Your first post when you said that you didn't want that person "anywhere near your daughters."

No, that is avoiding a piece of art. If you then say that the people who work in the show can't be anywhere near your kids, that is bigotry.

I do. And if somebody says "I wouldn't let my kids anywhere near any Catholics," that would be bigotry.

No, that is controlling access to specific forms of art. If somebody instead had a parental setting that was "No movies with a specific group of people" that would be bigotry.

You saying you don't want a trans person anywhere near your daughters simply because they are trans is not just parenting. It is bigotry. Because you are intolerant towards people based on group membership.

 

I didn’t say anything about a swastika, nor did I mention the now defunct Klan. Why do assume a white hood only symbolizes the Klan. Read some history books dude.

This white hood carries many meanings.

you made no mention of the black face, so I assume you are OK with that one. So, I guess we can assume that you are OK with some costumes which YOU don’t find offensive, but you are against other costumes that YOU do find offensive (partially because of your ignorance of history and other cultures). So we should consult with YOU before we reach any conclusions on the appropriateness of costumes from now on. I am actually heading over to Epcot right now, so I’m going to need your personal contact information to get a hold of you in case I run into some costumed people and I’m not sure what to do. Please PM me. Thanks.

 

Ok, and why is this any different than Disney or Target? Same thinking at work. And dont tell me non-profits arent revenue driven or run like businesses, its just a different structuring (and a tax avoidance scheme). If you dont bring in money to pay salaries, people get laid off like anywhere else.

 

I agree with your response 100%. Your best post ever.

 

True. These must have been the rare cases . . .

Written to a person with a history degree . . .

 

If someone wants to walk around in a white hood like many Southern Democrats did in the 1950s, then please explain how they are not a part of the KKK. Same goes for someone who walks around in a 1940s German style military uniform, arm band and all. If they are not representing a Nazi, then what do they represent? If you don't know, maybe you should read some history books, dude!

I didn't mention the blackface because I figured I made my point. What does blackface represent to you? Because to most, it's incredibly racist and inappropriate. But maybe your history books say something different?

Last, you never answered my question. What does the Fairy Godmother dress represent? Anything that can be interpreted as evil like a 1940s German military outfit or 1950s white hooded outfit?

 

Their fault for wearing FSU shirts I suppose

 

Another thing I thought about this story: It appears he's not transgender since his name is Nick and he has facial hair. I'd bet money he's gay, as are most drag queens, for example.

Many gay men like hair and fashion for whatever reason, and one reason many women have gay friends is because they feel safe around them. Even if someone assumes this guy is attracted to little kids (and there's no reason to think that), the odds that he is attracted to girls is even less probable. People are rightfully and understandably on guard to protect girls from being sexually abused because it's unfortunately common. But straight men are by far the greatest threat there.

 

I confess that there were a few times as a soccer coach I tried to talk my team into letting the other team score just to make them feel better.
I never had that option at baseball. Then it was more a matter of "Guys, what do you say we try to hold them to single-digit runs this inning?"

 

He might be, but their are definitely punk rock type dudes that will wear a dress or effeminate clothing to be edgy or make a point or something. Safe to say 20 somethings dont have the same hangups as people posting here who are significantly older. I was having a conversation with someone about how hair metal would be perceived today with the current trans panic. If there were glam-y rock bands who wore tight leather and makeup, long feminine hair, etc. Those bands were also hypermasculine in a way (they made a point of putting hyperfeminine women in their videos), but I do wonder how it would be regarded now.