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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by cflgator83, May 29, 2023.

  1. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer VIP Member

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    Hate speech is protected speech, so I'm not sure what distinction you're drawing between "hateful speech" and "hate speech."

    What? Do I know for a fact that she wasn't using it that way? No. The only person who knows for a fact is her. What I know for a fact is that some Jews do not consider themselves Zionists. But as I pointed out, the Jewish Law Student Association at her school spoke up in support of her. That would lend credence to my point, right?

    And no, it's not as much of an assumption on my part as it is on yours. She didn't use the word Jewish. I'm not assuming, like you are, that she meant one thing and said another. I'm assuming she meant what she said.

    There are plenty of places that will hire her. And this doesn't strike me as the sort of person who has any interest in working for a corporate firm.
     
  2. gatorpa

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    So she rails against perceived racism and in the same breath is an anti semite.
    How cute.
     
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  3. gatorpa

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    I’m sure if she was a white dude you would so understand.
     
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  4. gatorpa

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    Some whack group with snatch her up to be sure.
     
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  5. wgbgator

    wgbgator Premium Member

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    Finally an American that doesn’t suck
     
  6. GatorNorth

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    Not all hate speech is protected, I should have been more precise in my initial post but was typing quickly on my phone.

    We’ll just have to disagree on the other parts.
     
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  7. wgbgator

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    The biggest case was that guy that graduated one of the service academies and revealed his communist shirt
     
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  8. okeechobee

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    We gotta cancel her now!!! No place for such bigoted hate speech in this country!!! Let’s find her at a restaurant and shout her down. Protests outside of her home. Make her feel “uncomfortable”. That’s what protesting is supposed to do, make people uncomfortable. Maybe we can get some corporate sponsors to fund our social justice war against this bigot!!
     
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  9. mrhansduck

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    Read that she was selected by her fellow students to speak. Not sure how many speakers there were besides her, but I assume the students were aware of her previous comments when they chose her as well the pro Palestinian group of which she was a member?
     
  10. Emmitto

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    Here's what we should do: Pick a victim, gang up on it, and make an example of it. We can't boycott every woke graduation speaker or even most of them. But we can pick one, it hardly matters which, and target it with a ruthless boycott campaign. Claim one scalp then move onto the next.
     
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  11. gatordavisl

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    Why are you suggesting that? Seriously, what sense are you trying to make?
     
  12. gator_lawyer

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    Not all speech is protected, period. But there is no hate speech exception to the First Amendment.
     
  13. gator_lawyer

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    Again, where is the antisemitic comment? I 100% disagree with firing professors at a university because of their political speech. In fact, I'd say that's unconstitutional (since CUNY is a public university). (Nor do I support excluding Zionist students, which would also be unconstitutional.) But a Palestinian opposing Zionists does not necessarily mean she hates Jewish people.
     
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  15. wgbgator

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    They are doing an excellent job of proving her criticism of the school
     
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    This is the inevitable result when people are conditioned to believe they will be treated as some sort of hero when they bitch and moan about the greatest country in the history of the world and characterize it as some racist oppressive hellhole.
     
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  17. gator_lawyer

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    To be clear, there's no need to "confuse" "hate speech" with "free speech." They are one and the same. As Samuel Alito noted in Matal v. Tam, it is "a bedrock First Amendment principle" that "speech may not be banned on the ground that it expresses ideas that offend." This is consistent with a long line of SCOTUS precedents. In Texas v. Johnson, the Supreme Court observed: "If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable." Similarly, in Street v. New York, the Court explained that "it is firmly settled that under our Constitution the public expression of ideas may not be prohibited merely because the ideas are themselves offensive to some of their hearers."

    Hate speech is free speech, even when I loathe what the speaker is saying.
     
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  18. OklahomaGator

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    Is this the first time you have agreed with Alito? :):):)
     
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  19. gator_lawyer

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    No. It happens on occasion. That's from a government speech case. I have agreed with multiple opinions he wrote in recent years in government speech cases. Of course, none of them favored progressive causes/plaintiffs, so we'll see if he actually adheres to the stances he has taken when the shoe is on the other foot.
     
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    The Board of Trustees of the school in the question clearly does not agree with you.