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Finland Goes Negative on Electricity Price

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chemgator, May 26, 2023.

  1. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

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    Their hydroelectric power plants have been in overdrive with all of the snowmelt, and they just put a nuclear power plant on-line. Briefly, their electricity price went below zero. Pretty impressive achievement. But not all positive, as electricity producers can't make money with a negative price.

    Electricity prices in Finland flipped negative — a huge oversupply of clean, hydroelectric power meant suppliers were almost giving it away

    It looks like Finland is on the same grid as Sweden and Norway, so it stands to reason that these countries are benefiting from low prices as well.
     
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  2. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    Surprised bitcoin miners aren't lining up to get some of that.
     
  3. exiledgator

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    This is where you need storage. It can sub optimal efficiency.
     
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  4. GatorRade

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    Indeed. Hasn’t Iceland been in this boat for a while? I believe they are considering building a connection to Europe so they can sell their excess power.
     
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  5. chemgator

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    I believe Iceland built some aluminum plants, which use a lot of energy.
     
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  6. OklahomaGator

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    Doesn't Iceland have a lot of geothermal energy?
     
  7. Gatorrick22

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    Geothermal energy abundance. It's smart more for them, because aluminum takes massive amounts of energy to produce from alumina... even more from raw bauxite.
     
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  8. okeechobee

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    I think President Trump was trying to do this here with oil. Remember we dipped below zero $ per barrel there for a bit. I see Scandinavian countries are now trying to follow his example. God, I just hope Mr. Trump finds a way to win in November 2024. He’d have this stuff fixed right away.
     
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  9. G8trGr8t

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    The price drop in oil was due to lack of storage at Cushing. Not attributable to any politician. The two have nothing to do with each other
     
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  10. thomadm

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    The ideal long term goal would have Fusion/nuclear with surplus being used for Carbon capture. If someone could develop the process from electricity to turn CO2 to Oil, that would solve alot of problems.
     
  11. l_boy

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    If he can shut the economy down with another pandemic like he did with Covid, he might have a shot at zero oil prices.
     
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  12. chemgator

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    Oil is a non-renewable resource. Going crazy with drilling to drive down the price just shortens the time to wait until the planet runs out of oil and we can enjoy life in a Mad Max movie, killing each other for table scraps. That's the future Dimwit Donald Trump offers (and probably a best case scenario for him).

    Trump really didn't fix anything as president. He had a few good ideas, but never really went to a complete, working solution with any of them. He understood that China was an enemy, but didn't understand that Russia was, too (because he had business investments in Russia). He did try to buy Greenland without finding out if it was for sale. Basically, he was a clown.
     
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  13. G8trGr8t

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  14. GatorNorth

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    Oil prices went negative in 2020 because virtually the entire world stopped driving and flying at once and there was nowhere to store oil, not because of anyone's long term energy policies, Republican or Democrat.

    Negative oil prices are a complete disincentive to oil production, was that Trump's goal, to stop producing oil? Don't oil prices need to be about $50/bbl to even justify drilling?
     
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  15. okeechobee

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    Trump was harsher on Russia than Biden was pre-invasion. And Trump’s doctrine of drill baby drill only served to weaken Russia’s hand. It was only after Biden lifted sanctions on Russia, his policies led to higher oil prices and our debacle in Afghanistan did Putin feel so emboldened to launch a full-scale invasion of Ukraine. That’s why even though your side likes to push the Trump/Putin narrative that Putin didn’t move an inch when Trump was at the helm. Russia’s hand was much weaker with the depressed oil prices during Trump’s term, with or without Covid.
     
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  16. G8trGr8t

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    Putin didn't want to risk the gazprom 2 pipeline approval by Germany. Absolutely nothing to do with Trump or Biden. Once that pipeline was approved and built Putin was certain that EU addiction to cheap gas would overcome the momentary military action required to take Kyiv and install his puppet. Your understanding of events is seriously lacking in reality.

    Fyi, oil production in US has went up under this administration and on track for a record in 2023

    The U.S. Oil Industry Is Trending Toward A Record-Breaking 2023
     
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