Police shot 11 year boy after he called 911 to report a domestic disturbance

antny1 · May 25, 2023

Wc nailed it however I believe in some cases it's more than just termination and may require a felony conviction.

antny1 · May 25, 2023

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The state (FL) didn’t have any employee contributions until maybe 15 years ago?? Then it went to 3%
Counties were historically on the State system, cities a mix based on size.

If you were terminated prior to retirement, you would receive any employee contributions plus interest, but none of the state’s contributions into your pension.

Now if you were in drop, you were already retired, so it would be up to a pension board to see if you violated the appropriate statutes. If they took back the pension, you would still be refunded any employee contributions.

For the past ten years, many public sector jobs have been suffering from very shallow applicant pools. Who wants to deal with Ken and Karen.

That said, hiring practices with thorough backgrounds and training are key. As said above, training costs money due to the relief factor involved. Good training, taking it serious and professionalism all start at the top.
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Yes. Rick Scott started the 3% contribution for state retirement employees. We had a city commissioner defiantly and spitefuly tell our labor head that she thought it was a great idea and that the firefighters and cops in our city should also pay 3%. We looked at her and said no problem....by the way, our contribution is 10% so we will be happy to get a 7% raise.

The disconnect was palpable..... She was the wife of a wealthy developer who took the position to better facilitate her husband's benefit for high end condo development in one of our city's districts. Totally Clueless and unfut to actually commission a district but that is our political system.

philnotfil · May 25, 2023

antny1 said: ↑

One reason I don't "default" to the racist narrative. Of course some racist cops abuse their authority and those types need to be actively and proactively rooted out with great consequence but there is another phenomenon that isn't addressed in my opinion.

Cops overwhelmingly deal with people at their worst. You start to get fatigued from dealing with dregs of society and start to look at everyone the same. It happens in EMS to a degree as well. People may get offended but it doesn't lessen the reality of it. You have to actively work against that mindset and the fact is very few do across all fields. It becomes us vs them and the snowball gets out of control too often. Nuance and discretion goes out the door and as the saying goes...when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.
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We rotate troops on active duty because living with that kind of stress is bad for you. Cops are out there for years on end.

philnotfil · May 25, 2023

ValdostaGatorFan said: ↑

What I don't agree with is when cops mess up badly and are allowed to quietly retire and keep the benefits.

Why are officers allowed to retire the day they are expected to be fired and keep full benefits? I'm not asking that rhetorically, I'm wondering if there is a real reason.
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Cheaper than paying the lawyers when they sue for their retirement funds.

gatordavisl · May 25, 2023

antny1 said: ↑

I can't speak to statistics for age groups stepping out of line. I'm generally pro LEO but there was definitely a good Ole boy system in the past that probably sheltered a lot of older cops as well. There is a tendency for young cops,fire, medics etc to have one year on the job going on 30 syndrome that part is true.

Again, there is an overall lack of training on how to not feed into adrenaline, de-escalation, and mental health specifically towards working against compassion syndrome.

We had a call the other day. Medical emergency. Show up to a pretty rough house with an expensive car in the driveway. Knock on the door and get greeted by a guy yelling at us for knocking on his door. His Tennant called 911 but he didn't care. Berated us while we were treating the patient. House is a mess. 4 kids 3 of whom were very sweet but clearly had the odds against them. 3 huge dogs kenneled barking the whole time, no idea if they ever get out. Dad continues to yell but eventually goes into his room. A half naked toddler walks out on this filthy floor and hugs my leg before grabbing my finger. I had to gently move away from the kid so as not to piss the already agitated dad off.

Can't call DCF because we've tried that before and the fact is the kids were well fed the house was climatized and other than a filthy house and a nasty set of parents there was nothing to report.

Next two calls were treating a burglary suspect fleeing and then another for a hit and run. There were other very unsatisfying calls I won't go into that same shift. We see far far less than police do and yet it's still a struggle to stay grounded and try not to pre judge everyone.

I'm not a cop but I worked with them at another department and our calls overlap in my current one. Public service is draining but there isn't a whole lot of support to keep people away from the pitfalls of the job.

With all of that said, none of that is an excuse for people to act unethically and I don't mean for it to be interpreted as such in any way.
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Thanks for all your insights in this thread. It's nice to read an informed perspective.

WC53 · May 25, 2023

I would think this case would come down to startled or scared with finger on the trigger. Training and fitness for duty. Ymmv

Gator515151 · May 25, 2023

ValdostaGatorFan said: ↑

I'm ignorant to the topic, but it's my understanding that if you retire in good standing with a pension, you get paid until you kick the bucket, whereas a 401k would be limited to what you and your employer contributed.
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My point is if you pay into every pension plan I have ever heard of after so many years you are vested. I don't think they can take that pension away unless the pension plan itself goes bankrupt.

ValdostaGatorFan · May 25, 2023

Gator515151 said: ↑

My point is if you pay into every pension plan I have ever heard of after so many years you are vested. I don't think they can take that pension away unless the pension plan itself goes bankrupt.
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Ah. I've read that it varies a good bit from state to state on what and when it be garnished or forfeited, if it all. For example, Derek Chauvin will get his pension even after killing George Floyd because there aren't any forfeit or garnishment laws in Minnesota. Some have forfeit and garnishment laws for public officials, but not police officers.

WC53 · May 25, 2023

https://www.nasra.org/files/Compiled Resources/Forfeiture statutes.pdf

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