I did. But i didnt emphasize a side in their influence. I think any side in power with a world with limited education options is dangerous. I find it interesting that my view is painted as conservative. Vouchers are government assistance. Nothing politically conservative about it. I think a conservative that supports vouchers yet bemoans a school lunch or health care should take a long look in the mirror
This is on point. Instead of focusing on making public schools better, our state government has decided to make them worse by defunding them among other things. So the parents are faced with sending their kids to a really, really terrible public school, or, instead, sending them to a mediocre charter or private school. Either way, the kids are going to get lousy educations.
The ACA premiums, deductibles and maximum out of pocket costs all vary enormously dependent on the applicant’s income. Not the same for vouchers in Florida.
You’re simply missing the point. No one is implementing vouchers as assistance to the poor. No one. They are implementing vouchers as a payout to anyone who wants to take money from public schools and use them for private tuition. If it was a poverty scholarship program democrats would support if it didn’t rob public schools of funding.
Yes, I already noted how they whitewashed their own report with a dig at higher income people. You have to consider the source of the material. Which begs the question, why even circulate the study findings if you're just going to nullify them by injecting class warfare into the argument? Or maybe that was just their clever way of injecting class warfare. They probably learned that technique at a public school.
You dodged a reasonable challenge. Why? Self selecting the best students does bias towards better outcomes. That’s why this simplistic comparison is more thoroughly teased out by actual studies.
This needs to be moved back here… citygator said: ↑ Your approach is unreasonable. It’s just what you want to do. Covid was the issue. Not policy regarding Covid. I see you avoided addressing the SAT results. Qgator Because it is a dumb way to say make the point you want. Here is US World and News… https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education But you will make an excuse for that I am sure.
Let's state the obvious: public schools are always going to be worse performers than private schools, no matter how much money we pump into public schools. Why? Public schools will always include the kids from families that don't give two shits about their kids or their education, whereas private school parents have to be proactively involved from the start to get their child enrolled. Add to that figuring out transportation, etc etc. Private school students will always have the upper hand, because their parents cared enough to have them enrolled in private schooling to begin with and those parents will therefore be more likely to be invested in their child's education. When you have parents that are invested in their children's education and their future, it just makes sense that private school students will perform better overall, because with public, they have to take the hit for all the families that don't put any effort into their children's upbringing or education. Government can't fix that.
I refuse to let you drag this thread down into Covid conspiracy discussion. I answered you in the crazy people thread.
citygator You have no idea what you linked. The rankings say top notch universities and below average math and reading test scores for HS students which aligns with my argument. Im arguing there isn’t a material difference in results of approach between NC and Florida two years after Covid as noted by strong SAT scores, not that Florida sucks. Qgator And now you know why I ignored your SAT post lol. That said…more people will take the US World and News rankings with more weight for sure. ***From the other thread but needs to be here as well***
I refuse to let you drag this thread down into a stupid, stupid debate as to which kids perform better: private school vs. public school. Of course, private school kids perform better, because public schools have to take the hit for all the absentee parent families that don't give a fuuuhdge about their kids or their education, while private schools are generally always families where the parents are more keenly involved with their child's education. You want the Pontiac to be as nice as that Mercedes and it's never going to happen. Stupid debate to have. Private school kids have the upper hand, so of course, they test better overall in comparison to public. Arguing otherwise can be done with your wall. Leave the thread to people who want to have an honest discussion on the topic..
It was a fair ask to have Covid discussion in the Covid thread and this one be about public education. You’ve been reported.
A month before he vetoed the bill that would force everyone to do it the same way. He wanted local school districts to be able to do what worked best for them.
We can statistically control for variables like family income. When we control for these variables so that we are comparing apples to apples, what we find is that the school didn't make the difference. Yes, private schools have higher test scores than public schools. So why don't we just do more of what private schools are doing, and make sure all students are wealthy?
