The spreading GOP destruction of public education

Not behind per se, limited amount of AP courses were available...he ended up retaking 3 of the 4 courses he had credit for.

 

Where is this a right or freedom?

 

Lol. Sure.

 

So you dont think Americans have the right to non public education?

 

Everyone was a "new" poster at some point. What the heck is your problem?

 

Yeah, lighten up Tilly. Geesh.

 

I didnt say they did.
I also know my wife taught in one for years and later became a consultant for that group of schools. 2000 students annually in those 4 schools. All doing exceptionally.
My mom has worked for one for 20 years.
2 of my kids attended a different charter for a few years.

They need to be an option.

Schools should have criteria (stability, test scores for instance) to be eligible for voucher monies. And those vouchers should go to the parents first and not the school itself directly.

 

Ok.

 

What do you mean when you say that we currently live under a political consensus?

 

But he was limited, which was my point.

 

Lots of data out there
% wise public do marginally better
A lot of money supplanting going on to wealthier for “choices”
Dollars to religion and corporations

Lets face it, it is easier to teach the, lol, gifted chosen than the masses. But that is why the public education system is so valuable. One can argue Union issues, parental influence or whatever talking points you want, but an educated public is beneficial to society. When parents don’t care, things get exponentially tougher.

As was previously mentioned, when you hand select the cream off the top to go to your favorite public private partnership, and they don’t take discipline problems, disabilities, etc (numbers game a school system can absorb but individual entities cannot) the burden becomes tougher on traditional schools.

I have often believed more funds should go to schools in areas of poverty, but that is not how the system works. School choice could work, but not once you start transferring dollars out of the system. There are certain minimum costs that are maintained.

Just an example of dollars, look at dual enrollment. The students HS pays the cost for college classes. Not dissing dual enrollment, just how the system works. Most schools run on really, really tight budgets. Wealthy areas can have supplemental taxes and “donations” that aren’t an option in other areas.

The devil is always in the details. Or the recruiting.

Go Gators

 

Neither was industrial capitalism for that matter!

 

It’s all about the money folks. School choice shouldn’t be an issue in Florida since we’ve had it since the 60’s. Parents have never been told they couldn’t send their kids to a private school or home-school them. The only time it’s ever been an issue was when some star football player that lived in one district wanted to play in another district without moving.

Again it’s not about choice it’s about who’s going to pay for it. Personally I have no problem with providing a voucher for a private, or even homeschooling. After all those parents pay school taxes too. But what I’m opposed to is providing state tax money without any state oversight into how that money is spent, and without applying the same testing requirements that public school students have.

 

Absolutely not. That is not a right. You can choose a private school. Public money should definitely not be spent on any religious based school.

 

Well, here's a link from the NCES, which is an arm of the Dept of Ed (ie naturally biased) who admits private school students have superior test scores. They attempt to whitewash that fact by pointing to incomes, but it is the DOE, so you gotta consider the source. But even they cannot deny the better performance of private school students vs. public school students:

https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/articles/private-school-vs-public-school

In fact, if they could guarantee average test scores in public schools would match private schools, I'd send my children to public school without a thought. But there is a distinct advantage with private schools. Higher test scores, lower faculty to student ratio, non-dogmatic instruction, etc etc...

(note I did not use ChatGPT to type this message)

 

That isnt what i asked. I havent brought up religion. My kids havent spent one minute in a religious school.

I said the right to school choice.

My point is if we indeed have the right to chose our schools in this country (unlike China for instance) and if the only option is a failing one, than the government should aid those families to get out of the failing one.

You claim I am clueless about this, which is quite far from the truth, but how exactly do you suggest we remedy the situation for inner city kids (for instance) trapped in a bad/neglected district?

How do we increase their chances of higher education and cycle breaking?

My career is devoted to breaking some of these cycles. (Affordable housing specifically). They dont fix themselves and they certainly dont do it with only a public government option.

In housing people are seeking to escape the government cycle actually.

Schools can be similar in some unfortunate cases.

 

I answered. It is NOT a right. The voucher money should toward fixing the current schools. I included religion because many private schools are religious based. My tax money should NOT go to any religious private school. Also, how do you square that 41% of charter schools go under. That they are just a money grab? So your inner city school kids are screwed once again? No thanks. Look at DeSantis and his cronyism. Putting buddies in Educational positions all over without any education qualifications or lesser than what is required. Putting people on the Reedy Creek board that are friends and allies but have never run an amusement park or special district.

 

Sounds great. Soooo if that money is there to fix the schools, why arent they fixing them? Shiny new schools all over my city, and dirty gross ones in certain neighborhoods. Why isnt the government fixing them?

I addressed your charter question. Those failing schools would not meet voucher requirements.
But charters are free and paid for by taxes already so they arent really the point in many states.

And there is no law that says tax money (which is my money first btw) cant go to anything religious.

And.. you continue to be wrong. We do have a right to school choice. You can choose where to send your kid can you not? We arent China are we? You do have the right to choose.

 

There’s not enough information there for you to make that judgement. A little digging showed these are mostly prep schools where students must pass a battery of tests in order to just get into those schools. So to compare the two is ridiculous. It’s like comparing two bakery’s cherry pies. Bakery A gets to pick out only top quality cherries while bakery B has to take whatever’s left, even the rotten ones. The bakeries can be equally qualified but the product from bakery B will show to be inferior.