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Police Coverups, Conspiracies, and Cost to Taxpayers

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ValdostaGatorFan, May 17, 2023.

  1. l_boy

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    OK. somebody is triggered.

    It isn’t always about race. Blacks are convicted more, and killed more by police. They have more encounters with police. They are also involved in more crime by roughly the same proportions.

    It isn’t a simple explanation of a simple problem.
     
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  2. tampagtr

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    Kareem with his usual excellent take

    MY TAKE: When I read articles like this I always heave a huge sigh of sadness. Law enforcement is such a vital part of our society. Nothing else works if we don’t feel safe—if our children aren’t safe. I think of my father, an NYPD cop who dedicated his life to helping people. Being a police officer is such difficult and dangerous work that I want to think that only the best kind of people with a passion for serving their community would step up to the challenge.
    The problem comes with the phrase “their community.” Apparently, some cops believe their community consists only of people who look like them, who share the same religious and political beliefs, or who are cops.

    The two areas that need attention in order to turn this dire situation around are in recruiting and in training. The testing and background checks on new recruits needs to be thorough and intensive enough to weed out those with violent and racist tendencies. We also need to prohibit the practice of firing a bad cop only to have him hired by another force. Cops fired for cause need to be placed on a national database which would then make any police department that hires them legally liable for bad behavior in their new job. That liability could be substantial when you realize that just the 25 largest police and sheriff’s departments in the U.S. had to pay out more than $3.2 billion in the past decade to settle 40,000 claims (“The hidden billion-dollar cost of repeated police misconduct”).
    The second area of improvement would be in training officers in ways to deal with their biases, some of which may develop or intensify while on the job, and in using non-violent resolutions. This kind of training is not a one-class-and-done situation, but ongoing mandatory training throughout their careers.



    Good concluding paragraph I omitted due to the rule. Worth a read.


    Jim Brown & Me, The Serious Dangers of AI, UN Critical of US Police Brutality, Gangs in the Sheriffs Dept., Ted Cruz Investigates Beer, Laura Ingraham Won't Apologize, Paul Simon Sings
     
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  3. ValdostaGatorFan

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    MY TAKE: The Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department has faced so many scandals in the past (“‘The sheriff who went rogue’: Alex Villanueva’s scandal-plagued tenure ends in LA”). This policy of forcing deputies to reveal their gang tattoos is part of a welcome new-broom approach by the current sheriff Robert Luna, voted in six months ago.

    Of course, some tattoos might indicate a youthful allegiance that no longer applies. But those who are still actively aligned with gangs need to be fired. Eight deputies filed an $80-million lawsuit alleging they were attacked and harassed by Banditos deputy gang members. However, there is pushback against the investigation within the sheriff’s department from the union.

    This!

    Pushback from the police union on investigating a gang within the department.

    Read it again.

    Pushback from the police union on investigating a gang within the department.
     
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  4. wgbgator

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    This is true but not for the reasons he laid out.

    Its not just the cops that think that, and who does he think they work for?

    The liberals cant get enough of their testing and anti-bias trainings as their cure all. Try as we might, we aren't going to turn cops into upper middle-class professionals that read books and listen to NPR. These are ultimately people that want to crack skulls and feast on the goo within.
     
  5. tampagtr

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    I hear you but remember he writes from the perspective of a celebrity that can be quoted. I always interpret his words as intended to try to persuade the persuadable, rather than to make the most accurate point possible. So while I understand your perspective, I think that's why he phrased matters as he did.
     
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  6. tampagtr

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    Exactly. I thought of quoting that as well but figured one was enough. But that section of his weekly newsletter was also incredibly disturbing although I had read it already in other sources.
     
  7. wgbgator

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    Not surprising at all - cops dont have a gang problem, they are the gang, its only surprising/shocking to people who subscribe to the "bad apple" theory of cops
     
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  8. tampagtr

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    Wow. Cross posting to DeSantistan thread

     
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  9. wgbgator

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    Hey, nothing a little sensitivity training cant fix right? :)
     
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  10. tampagtr

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    Another appropriate use of the police power, and qualified immunity. From noted radical left activist Orin Kerr:

     
  11. G8trGr8t

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    this is the kid that was scared to get out of his stuck car so they shot and killed him while he sat in the car

    Family of Christian Glass reaches record $19 million settlement after police shooting (msn.com)

    The family of a Colorado man shot to death by police during a mental health crisis will receive $19 million in compensation from law enforcement, one of the biggest such settlements in U.S. history.

    The family of Christian Glass, 22, is also forcing a series of training changes among the law enforcement agencies that were present during the June 11, 2022, incident. The settlement is the largest ever in Colorado, the family's attorneys said.

    The officer who shot Glass and his supervisor are being criminally prosecuted. The responding police agencies have also been criticized because none of the other officers tried to stop the shooting.
     
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  12. Gatorhead

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    Some hard truths here. There is a sub set of law enforcement who:

    Are retired Military, Work in Corrections, Sympathize with White Racism, Have "type "A" personalities and so forth. In other words, they have a predisposition to violence and aggressive behavior.

    The worst of the lot are sexual predators, murderers, felons, psychopaths and the flat out deranged.

    I look at cops like priests - Your "in" the profession for the "right" reasons "to protect and serve" OR you are in it to exercise power and serve whatever twisted motivation one has.

    Same deal with priests, many of whom join the cloth to rape and molest children.

    Nor do I believe that the %'s on the "bad" side are low, quite the contrary, I believe the numbers of bad actors are distressingly high.

    Don't know what I'm talking about you say? Hmmmmm -
    1980 - Threatened by Volusia sheriffs "deputies", as in was told on three different occasions by two different cops on the same day, they would "shoot me". While I'm sitting quietly, causing ZERO disturbance, in the back of the squad car. My offense? Having beer in a cooler at the beach (New Smyrna). (Which I had NOT started drinking).

    Half Brother - Sworn in police detective - Florala, Alabama Police department. He constantly bragged about "no-warrant" raids on black communities to shake them down for liquor, money, weed and firearms. This shit happened CONSTANTLY. Talk about a bunch of racist bastards!

    Grand Rapids, Michigan - Working there, left the city, on the interstate, got pulled over by a MHP.
    Rolled down the window and he said: For a $20.00 bill I walk away.

    My grandfather was a witness to the sheriff of Okaloosa County MURDERING a black man on the side of the road. The mans crime? Loitering (walking on the shoulder of the road) and not being properly compliant to the "Sheriff".

    Ya'll want to know something - That Murdock guy in S Carolina?
    You know, wife, son and housekeeper murderer? Those are the assholes the police answer to. That type, especially in the South.

    Had enough yet??
    Google "Origins of Policing in the USA"
    Pinkerton Agency pops up - Who were they? Anti Union HEAD BUSTERS for the Railroad and Mining industry.

    THAT is the origin of policing in the good ole USA, and the only "Protect and Serve" those convicts understood was beating people wanting to make a living wage.......to death.

    Police my ass............thugs on the take is more like it.
     
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  13. ValdostaGatorFan

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    There's more to this story. I've been meaning to post this one specifically. The cop was looking at like a 41 count indictment but was dropped for... reasons?
     
  14. tampagtr

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    Interesting - that was the first I heard about it
     
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  16. tampagtr

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    Thanks - I usually don't do youtube for news, but will check out
     
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  17. tampagtr

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    Here is a story for those like that like to read - saying dismissal based on the fact that files were not turned over - sounds like Remy McSwain's magnet in the evidence room.

    But a claim of "systemic racism" - "Mitchell's sister Melanie Mitchell says the family believes the dismissal reveals systemic racism in the Hamilton County justice system."

    Everyone knows that here is no systemic racism in this county, none, nada, and that anyone who says something like that should be arrested.

    44-count indictment against former Hamilton County deputy Daniel Wilkey dismissed
     
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  19. ValdostaGatorFan

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  20. ValdostaGatorFan

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    I'm packing up to leave work but I'm definitely reading it when I get home.

    Also, there's a scandal unfolding involving the top of the West Virginia State Police.
     
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