Disney scraps plans for new Florida campus, mass employee relocation amid DeSantis feud

If the consequences are coming from the government, it is a violation of the 1st amendment.

 

Sorry. When someone's "proof" of Florida being "free" is a list of big govt regulations, yes, I'm going to laugh.

 

And this fundamental misunderstanding of the First Amendment is why you are getting heckled by lawyers, particularly since the lawyers have tried to explain how the First Amendment prohibits governmental retaliation.

It’s Ok for DeSantis to tell the World that Disney is a bad, evil wrongdoer because it spoke out against his omniscience.

It is NOT ok for DeSantis to deploy his governmental power to PUNISH Disney for speaking out against his omniscience.

That’s the legal distinction.

Stated differently, the “consequences” to exercising the right to free speech, as you keep repeating, do NOT include the right of the Government to punish. The “consequences” certainly include the potential loss of patronage by those offended Disney’s position, unwanted publicity from commentators on their position, the possible loss of value in stock price, and of course even the public disparagement at the hands of The Omnipotent. But governmental punishment is not lawful.

 

Yes, Disney might lose its lawsuit, but not because of the points you raise. If — and in lawsuits nothing is guaranteed— Disney shows that it was punished because of what it said, Disney wins. That is not really debatable.

 

Whether you're willing to admit it or not, you probably believe that the rare sacrifice of an adult woman is a price worth paying to save thousands of fetuses since you apparently consider both as human beings with an equal "right to life". By the way another reminder of the impact of "prolife" laws in other countries.
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Note: Not "off-topic" since it was a specific response to another post in which the topic was raised.

 

Desantis and the state approved these tax breaks through Florida's Capital Investment Tax Credit program. His press secretary happily sent out a press release about it in 2021 when it was approved. Is there a problem now?

I honestly believe Disney didn't actually want to move Imagineering to Florida, but it was such a good deal with the tax breaks that they couldn't pass it up. Now they have an excuse not to. Florida wanted this campus badly because it was a big investment in the state and central Florida.

And guess what? Universal Orlando (Comcast) is up for $350M in tax breaks through the program.

Sanford Burnham originally got $300M in tax breaks to move to Orlando and Scripps Research got $600M to move to Palm Beach, and those are just a few of those who have gotten tax breaks to move to Florida.

Report: Disney may get $570M in tax breaks for new campus

 

What Xanadu place do you live, I want to at least visit? Life does not equal humanity.

You can't make a loving family for that child. The result will be more teens/adults with mental disorders because of the way their single mom (or step dad) treated them.

Like most of his bills, this one is vague for medical providers, so they are erroring on the side of caution and in some cases, won't suggest abortion when it is needed. Delays put women at risk. For rape they have up to 15 weeks to first, realize they are pregnant, mentally work though what just happened to them, get the courage to tell someone, and file a report with little to no evidence. Yeah, ok.

It's our body, leave it alone.

 

For anyone who wants it, a brief overview of Free Speech and the 1st Amendment:
First Amendment

 

It's also quite pertinent to remember that the State literally just voided RCID and its associated contracts with Disney.

Whatever the state has promised to Disney to build this new campus, it's pretty clearly not worth snot on a napkin. The State will just take it away as soon as Disney breaks ground.

This is why it's so dumb for the State to renege on its promises to major capital investors. Cheat folks with money and surprise, surprise, they aren't going to do business with you anymore.

 

Go lie about your government employer and see how it works out. They just might retaliate with a demotion or even firing.

By the way. You are free to speak and lie as well. But there can be consequences.

 

Any regulation to you must be big government lol.

Most Free States 2023

The Cato Institute had us at 2…but figured they might be too freedom loving for you lol.

 

It is not okay to lie about the government providing you special privileges. There can be consequences.

I know you are not naive to think all
lawyers agree with the ones on too hot who refuse to even provide why they believe this is a First Amendment violation.

Maybe you will go for my offer. Let’s wager a beer. You get Florida losses a First Amendment suit over this. I get Florida wins a First Amendment suit over this.

 

A great point. Who is to say Disney doesn't start building this and the state guided by Desantis takes away the tax breaks? Definitely lends credence to them saying the political climate in the state is the reason for cancellation and not their financials/stock price as some on here want us to believe, especially in their theme park sector.

 

What non-Desantis lawyers think he is going to win? Please share their names and opinions as to why. Your opinion is null and void at this point.

 

I didn't say Florida wasn't free. I said when someone cites a bunch of govt regulation as proof of being free, I'm going to laugh.

The website you posted uses the Cato numbers as it's basis, fyi. The ranking seems to be pretty skewed by no state income tax. And it listed our regulatory freedom as 22nd.

Here's how its calculated, its pretty interesting

https://www.freedominthe50states.org/how-its-calculated

and the breakdown of Florida

https://www.freedominthe50states.org/overall/florida

 

I have been reading this and other similar threads. The subject has been discussed ad nauseam with my peers. Not a single lawyer agrees with your understanding of the First Amendment, not a single one. And that is because your understanding is flawed. I’ve tried to explain in plain language why it is flawed. Other lawyers, including a first amendment expert, offered similar (and likely more comprehensive) explanations. Yet, you ignored my explanation as well as the legion of other explanations offered by others.

That is a choice and it’s ok.

At the expense of repetition, there are legal reasons why Disney may not prevail, even though DeSantis keeps trying in earnest to make Disney’s case every day. Disney still has impediments. @GATOR-Lawyer has explained the problems very nicely. But, to be sure, “consequences for exercising the right of free speech” is not one of them.

 

So kill the kids who won't have a loving family? Kill the kids with mental disorders?

They're innocent lives, stop killing them.

 

A kidney bean clump of cells isn't a child. But you know that.

 

At what size does one become a "child" then and why?

 

I'm not totally up to speed on Disney's dececion, but I thought I read somewhere that they have been wavering on this expansion for quite some years? Not just to Florida but the whole expansion in general. I may be wrong but if it is something Desantis haters can blame on him they will.