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IRA and CHIPs spurring $1B Solar plant in Oklahoma, $4B Chip plant in California

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, May 22, 2023.

  1. G8trGr8t

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    Funding set aside in the "inflation reduction act" and CHIPs is spurring major plant developments in the US. First, Applied Materials announced a $4 billion chip research and production facility in California and now an italian energy company says it is going to build a massive solar cell manufacturing plant in Oklahoma

    Hoping the italian plant isn't built until the combined cell tech that yields 30% energy recovery is ready to be mass produced.

    Silicon Valley Chosen for $4 Billion Chip Research Center - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    Silicon Valley got its name from computer chips, but no longer plays a central role in shaping how they are made. A major supplier to the industry hopes to change that.

    Applied Materials, the biggest maker of machines for producing semiconductors, said on Monday that it planned to build a massive research facility near its hometown, Santa Clara, Calif., to allow chip makers and universities to collaborate on advances to make more powerful chips. Silicon Valley hasn’t seen a comparable semiconductor construction project in more than 30 years, industry analysts say.

    The company expects to invest up to $4 billion in the project over seven years, with a portion of that money coming from federal subsidies, while creating up to 2,000 engineering jobs.

    The plan is the latest in a string of chip-related projects spurred by the CHIPs Act, a $52 billion package of subsidies that Congress passed last year to reduce U.S. dependence on Asian factories for the critical components. What sets Applied Materials’ move apart is that it focuses on research, rather than manufacturing, and is a substantial new commitment to the industry’s original hub.

    Italy's Enel to invest more than $1 billion in Oklahoma solar panel factory | Reuters

    Italy's Enel SpA (ENEI.MI) said on Monday it will invest more than $1 billion in a solar cell and panel factory in Oklahoma, seeking to capitalize on the U.S. push to build a homegrown clean energy manufacturing sector to compete with China.

    The facility will be among the largest to produce solar equipment in the United States, where most projects are built with imported panels. It is also one of the first U.S. factories to produce silicon-based solar cells on a large scale.

    The investment is one of the biggest in solar manufacturing since the passage of U.S. President Joe Biden's landmark climate change law, the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), last year. Facilities built with panels containing domestically made cells may receive a lucrative IRA bonus tax credit worth 10% of a project's cost.

    Enel, which had first said last year it planned to build a U.S. solar factory, selected a site in Inola, Oklahoma, near Tulsa. It will employ 1,000 people by 2025. The facility will produce 3 gigawatts of solar products annually, with the first panels rolling off the line by the end of 2024. Eventually, production could double to 6 GW per year with an additional 900 jobs created, the company said.
     
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  2. tampagtr

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    Is this a good thing, in your opinion?
     
  3. G8trGr8t

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  4. G8trGr8t

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    yes. we need to onshore medicine production too.
     
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    My limited reading is that the incentives for clean energy in the IRA are generally a good thing. A bit protectionistic, a bit irritating to allies, but necessary given the scope and urgency of the problem. Just curious as to whether this specific project seems sound. I think it's generally a good policy move at this time, and no mass policy will not have limited failures (i.e. Solyndra on what was otherwise a very successful seeding program as a matter of percentage success).
     
  6. exiledgator

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    Fantastic.

    I've been saying for years that renewals will eventually become so efficient and cheap that storage (the current obstacle to more reliance on renewables) won't have to be.

    We get closer and closer to that every day.
     
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  7. G8trGr8t

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    fyi, EU offered up stimulus to encourage solar production there too.

    I think that any major solar production facility being supported by tax funds needs to incorporate the latest advances in tech to get the maximum energy output for the investment. Perovskite material advances have been rapid lately and they seem ready for commercial implementation to decrease the carbon footprint and cost of solar cell production while raising the yield.

    Explained: Why perovskites could take solar cells to new heights | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology

    Perovskite solar goes commercial as yield gains align with market forces | Reuters

    Tandem cells combine a solar cell that is particularly efficient in the infrared part of the solar spectrum with another that is optimised in the blue and ultraviolet (UV) range. The theoretical conversion limit for silicon cells is around 29% and tandem silicon-perovskite cells could increase this to 43%.

    Oxford PV plans the commercial launch of its perovskite-on-silicon tandem cell this year, predicting a conversion efficiency of 27% and an energy yield of 24%, compared with a yield of around 20%-22% for most of the silicon panels currently on the market.

    The company plans to expand its pilot factory near Berlin, Germany and scale up production to 10 GW by the end of the decade.

    In France, the IPVF solar institute has partnered with French manufacturer Voltec Solar to build a solar panel factory that will produce Tandem 4T Perovskite/Silicon cells. The partners aim to start production in 2025 and ramp up capacity to 5 GW by 2030.
     
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  8. citygator

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    Solid bipartisan bill support for CHIPS with 24 house republican votes and a solid win for America in the partly line vote for the inflation reduction act.
     
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    To me this is why legislation like CHIPS and the IRA are necessary - government funding of technology and advancement. I’m sure there is a lot of imperfection in the laws and probably a lot of wasted funds, but usually you have enough home runs come out that benefit the country that it is worthwhile.
     
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    This bill is one of the few forward thinking bipartisan things we have done in the last decade. It’s a good thing for me.
     
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  12. Gatoragman

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    Call me a skeptic. but I'll believe they are actually investing into these facilities when ground is broke.
     
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  14. jjgator55

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    I’m saddened to think that I won’t live long enough to see the end of fossil fuels, where the air will be clean again, global temperatures will normalize, and the words “Drill baby drill” will never again be uttered. The only thing standing in the way that I can see are anti-progress republicans.

    If there is an afterlife, and hope to heck there is, I hope I can come back to see it.
     
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    100%, needed to do this. We can not depend on chip production overseas. Taiwan is particularly at risk with China planning a takeover.
     
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    You’re ignoring places like China, India and Africa who will be burning fossil fuels for decades. As their demand grows they aren’t going to give up the much cheaper oil devil.

    Even removing petroleum from the energy equation we still need it as something like 70% of our products contain petroleum in one form or another.
     
  17. jjgator55

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    Times are changing and those countries will change too in time, and our petroleum based products will be replaced as well.
     
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    Unless we master cold fusion it isn’t going to happen in the next 100+ years.
     
  19. jjgator55

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    Better chips, solar conductors, and energy will do the job until cold fusion comes along. Fossil fuels are going to be obsolete and you’ll only be able to find an internal combustion engine in museums.
     
  20. G8trGr8t

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    Utility company has agreed to provide power from fusion in 2028. Bill gates had microsoft commit to buying electrity from them. Open AI founder big investor

    Microsoft signs power purchase deal with nuclear fusion company Helion

    Helion's plant is expected to be online by 2028 and will target power generation of 50 megawatts or greater after a one-year ramp-up period, it said. One megawatt can supply up to about 1,000 U.S. homes on a typical day.

    "Fifty megawatts is a big first step of commercial-scale fusion, and the revenue feeds right back into us developing more power plants and getting fusion out on the grid both in the United States and internationally as fast as possible," David Kirtley, Washington state-based Helion's founder and CEO, said in an interview
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    Polaris, Helion's seventh-generation machine, should come online next year and demonstrate electricity generation, using pulsed high-power magnet technologies to achieve fusion, Kirtley said. In 2021, Helion was the first private company to achieve 100 million degrees Celsius (180 million degrees Fahrenheit) and the optimum temperature for fusion is about twice that, Kirtley said.
    While many fusion companies are looking to tritium, a rare hydrogen isotope, to help fuel reactions, Helion plans to use Helium 3, a rare type of the gas used in quantum computing.
    Helion has so far raised more than $570 million in private capital, with OpenAI CEO Sam Altman providing $375 million in 2021.
     
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