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0.1% inflation for March

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  1. WarDamnGator

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    And Ill pray for you do better financially … and at math, so that don’t have to stay up late complaining about your life … and thinking a 2.8% miss of the target number is somehow a 250% increase.
     
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  2. l_boy

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    Yeah, your characterization is not accurate, but a common refrain from those on the left who are hostile to capitalism in general, and don’t understand economics.

    Profits are a function of supply and demand. If Coke can raise prices, and people still buy it, why wouldn’t they? People can buy Pepsi or RC or generic cola if it is an issue for them. A company that fails to maximize its long term profits, while adhering to applicable laws, regulations and norms, would be failing to carry out their responsibility for shareholders.

    As to controlling wage increases. Pretty much everybody wants workers to have rising wages….on a REAL basis. However, rising NOMINAL wages is a sign that inflation has been baked into wage expectations, and is going to be harder to control inflation. As long as employees are expecting higher wages, then companies will continue to need to raise prices.

    It is possible to have a goal of rising real wages, due to productivity gains, but recognize that rising nominal wages during inflationary times will likely prolong the inflation.
     
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  3. dangolegators

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    Well certainly what you are actually thinking is meaningless to me. Right-wingers base their view of the economy on whether it's a D or an R in the Whitehouse.
     
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  4. dangolegators

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    It's pretty simple. If profits are increasing at a higher rate than inflation, then increased profits are one of the reasons for the inflation.
     
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  5. l_boy

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    Sigh.

    Profits increasing are a result, not a cause. Profits via higher prices increase due to changes in supply and demand. They don’t increase in a vacuum.

    Recent inflation was a result in shifts in both supply (Covid supply chains( and demand (fiscal and monetary stimulus). Such price inflation will lead to higher profits, all else equal.

    A material chunk of the higher corporate profits was due to energy, which are global markets where prices are set by global supply and demand.
     
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  6. dangolegators

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    Not talking about profits simply increasing. Talking about profits increasing at a higher rate than inflation. If that occurs, increased profits are one of the components of higher inflation.
     
  7. l_boy

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    If supply suddenly decreases, and demand remains the same, prices will go up. The costs don’t initially go up, but the price does, so profits increase more than inflation.

    Look at oil prices. If there is a supply shock, prices shoot up. Do their expenses shoot up too? No. So most of the price increase flows to profits.

    Over time the costs will increase too, and supplies will adjust due to the increased demand.
     
  8. dangolegators

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    Well if that happens the increase in profit contributed to the increased inflation. It's basic math. Let's say a company sells a thing for 2 dollars that costs it 1 dollar to make. That means 50% of the price of the thing goes to profit. If for whatever reason the company raises the price of the thing to $4 and now makes $2.50 in profit for each unit sold, now 62.5% of the price of the thing goes to profit. And the price increased 100% but profits increased 150%. So the increase in profit is one of the components of the increase in price.
     
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  9. WarDamnGator

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    Doesn't sound right, so I asked ChatGTP....

    If the Fed Target is 2.00%, and Inflation measures at 4.8% for the year, how much higher is inflation relative to the target?

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    To calculate how much higher inflation is relative to the target, you need to find the difference between the actual inflation rate and the target rate. In this case, the target rate is 2.00%, and the inflation rate is 4.8%.

    To calculate the difference, you can subtract the target rate from the inflation rate:

    4.8% - 2.00% = 2.8%

    Therefore, inflation is 2.8% higher than the target rate.


    My good friend Okeechobee thinks the answer is 250%, not 2.8%, how can convince him he is wrong?

    ChatGPT

    To convince your friend Okeechobee that his answer of 250% is incorrect, you can explain the correct calculation and provide supporting evidence. Here's how you can approach it:

    1. Clarify the context: Start by reiterating the given information. The target rate set by the Fed is 2.00%, and the actual inflation rate measures at 4.8% for the year.
    2. Explain the calculation: Describe the calculation used to determine the difference between inflation and the target rate. By subtracting the target rate from the inflation rate, you can find the deviation.
    3. Show the calculation: Present the calculation step by step:
    Actual inflation rate - Target rate = Deviation from target rate

    4.8% - 2.00% = 2.8%

    Clearly demonstrate the calculation using numbers to support your explanation.

    1. Emphasize the result: Emphasize that the deviation from the target rate is 2.8% based on the calculation. This means that inflation is 2.8% higher than the desired target rate, not 250%.
    2. Provide additional evidence: You can support your argument by referring to the common practice of measuring deviations from targets in terms of percentages rather than absolute values. This is the standard convention used in economic analysis and discussions.
    By presenting a clear explanation, providing the correct calculation, and offering supporting evidence, you can help your friend understand that the correct answer is indeed 2.8% higher, not 250%.


    At what grade level should a child in America learn this level of mathematics?

    ChatGPT

    The concept of calculating the difference between two percentages, as demonstrated in this scenario, is typically taught in elementary or middle school in the United States.

    In the Common Core State Standards for Mathematics, which many states in the US have adopted, students are introduced to percentages and their applications in the 6th grade (around 11-12 years old). They learn to solve problems involving percentage calculations, including finding the difference between two percentages.

    By the 7th or 8th grade, students typically gain more proficiency in working with percentages and can handle calculations like the one presented in the question.

    It's worth noting that the exact grade level at which students learn specific mathematical concepts can vary depending on the school district or curriculum. However, the concept of calculating the difference between percentages is generally introduced in the earlier years of middle school.


    Can you recommend a 7th grade level book on mathematics that I can recommend for my friend Okeechobee?

    ChatGPT

    Certainly! Here are a few recommendations for 7th grade level math books that you can recommend to your friend Okeechobee:

    1. "Math Doesn't Suck: How to Survive Middle School Math Without Losing Your Mind or Breaking a Nail" by Danica McKellar
    • This book is written by actress and mathematician Danica McKellar and is targeted specifically towards middle school girls. It covers various topics in middle school math in an engaging and relatable way.
    1. "Mathematics: A Human Endeavor" by Harold R. Jacobs
    • This book provides a comprehensive introduction to mathematics at the middle school level. It covers a wide range of topics and includes problem-solving activities and examples.
    1. "Pre-Algebra: Grades 6-8" by Carson-Dellosa Publishing
    • This book is designed to help students build a solid foundation in pre-algebra concepts. It offers explanations, examples, and practice problems to reinforce learning.
    1. "Math Connects: Concepts, Skills, and Problem Solving" by Glencoe/McGraw-Hill
    • This textbook series is aligned with the Common Core State Standards and covers various topics in mathematics. The books include examples, practice problems, and assessments to aid in understanding and skill development.
    It's worth mentioning that in addition to books, there are also numerous online resources and interactive math websites available that can supplement your friend's learning. These resources often provide explanations, videos, and interactive activities to engage students and reinforce math concepts.
     
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  10. altalias

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    You are calculating the difference between two numbers and he is calculating the percent of change.

    Solution for What is the percentage increase/decrease from .02 to .048:
    (4.8-2):2*100 =

    (4.8:2-1)*100 =

    240-100 = 140

    Now we have: What is the percentage increase/decrease from .02 to .048 = 140%
     
  11. BigCypressGator1981

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    “At what grade level should a child in America learn this level of mathematics?”


    LOL
     
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  12. WarDamnGator

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    Well, he”s wrong either way, it’s not 250%, but it’s not proper to express the increase that way when the CPI is already expressed as a percentage change… which is why 2.8 would be the correct way to state it.

    But I asked Chat GTP anyway ...

    Is it possible that the correct answer being 250% is an "alternative fact"?

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    No, the correct answer being 250% is not an "alternative fact." In the context of the given scenario where the target inflation rate is 2.00% and the actual inflation rate is 4.8%, the correct calculation for the deviation from the target is 2.8%.

    "Alternative facts" refer to false or misleading information presented as if it were true. In this case, stating that the deviation from the target rate is 250% would be factually incorrect and not supported by the calculations or the given information.

    It's important to rely on accurate information and verifiable calculations when discussing mathematical concepts or any other subject matter.
     
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  13. slayerxing

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    I understand perfectly how capitalism works. And of course coke CAN raise prices to make more profit if demand is there. But there is this argument of social good that needs to be a part of capitalism or the pursuit of max profits is going to bring down the whole system. Just because they can doesn’t mean they should. This is the thing conservatives don’t understand, and certain economists just want to avoid discussing altogether. The system when left to the whims of human greed will literally eat itself, taking as much from consumers as possible while giving as little back as possible. It’s not sustainable. The excuses that they have to look out for shareholders doesn’t hold water anymore - especially when big companies like Coca Cola are primarily owned by institutions and other companies. Only 28 percent of Coca Cola stock is owned by the general public and most of that is in the hands of a few. The system is out of balance.
     
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  14. Sohogator

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    Partially correct gotta look at the profit margins

    CocaCola Profit Margin 2010-2023 | KO
     
  15. homer

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    Something that needs to be mentioned is no one has to buy Coca Cola. It’s not a necessity except for a business selling mixed drinks where regular coke is preferred and it’s still a choice where patrons have other options.

    Talk about food and you get my attention.
     
  16. antny1

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    I stopped buying coke. We can afford it but I'm petty and blaming the cost increase on aluminum costs while beer and generic sodas increased at considerably lower levels irritates me. Coke is somewhat honest at least when they admit they won't adjust prices as long as consumers don't change their buying tendencies. Most people are slaves to their cravings so I can't fault them for joining the money grab I guess.
     
  17. magnetofsnatch

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    Who do you think those institutional holders represent? Outside of Berkshire it’s mostly 401ks, pension funds and everyday investors who don’t buy individual stocks but instead own mutual funds.
     
  18. okeechobee

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    Yep, 60% of Americans are “right-wingers.”
     
  19. okeechobee

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    If you’re Coca Cola, why would you drop your prices if people are still buying your product at a more profitable rate? It’s not exactly hard to stop drinking Coca Cola. This mindset really makes no sense, unless you’re a communist. And I don’t say that as an insult. It’s just the only way the thinking makes sense.
     
  20. okeechobee

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    Yeah, I mean seriously. Where does it end if we’re complaining about Coca Cola prices? Should I be complaining about how much candy costs too?