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school closures harmed american education

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by buckeyegator, May 15, 2023.

  1. snatchmagnet

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    My wife is a teacher, was forced to get one. I told her to quit but she actually still fights the fight. I got one with her, figuring I’d go down with her on any potential long term issues. No chance I was letting my daughters get one though.
     
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  2. coleg

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    Maybe we should ruminate over missed class field trips? LOL
     
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  3. flgator2

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    You do realize he's never had kids
     
  4. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Wrong crowd. These libbies will track you down from your first post and correct your grammar.
    Not the fun crowd at all.
     
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  5. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Don’t be obtuse. I said that with a lol.
    Cats out of the bag on you. If you would have had children, you wouldn’t have spanked them and they would have turned into brats.
    That’s the point some have tried to make but it’s futile.
    Go back to the books. It’s all you’ve got.
     
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  6. mrhansduck

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    Appreciate your post. I will let you have the last word here since we have sidetracked the thread a bit.

    Maybe I was thinking more about parents using corporal punishment as a tool in the home. I'm sure even many parents who spank their kids might have reservations about teachers or other school officials doing it to their kids. Would be interesting to know, particularly for the subset of parents who believe a large number of teachers are out to groom children.

    With respect to incarceration, we have some of the highest rates in the world and hard for me to imagine that Americans spank their kids significantly less than countries with lower rates of incarceration. If anything, I thought I'd read in the past that there is at least a correlation between kids being spanked and being more likely to enter the criminal justice system. Below is one study along those lines, though I admittedly have not reviewed the details. It's just consistent with what I think I've read over the years.

    College students more likely to be lawbreakers if spanked as children

    No matter where they live in the world, university students who were spanked as children are more likely to engage in criminal behavior, according to new research. Even young adults whose parents were generally loving and helpful as they were growing up showed higher rates of criminal behavior.
     
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  7. coleg

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    Post was referring to a poster that does have kids. But thanks for caring.
     
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  8. AzCatFan

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    I've never spanked my kids, and I wouldn't consider them brats. My daughter is a graduating high school senior who is in choir, the marching band (color guard), has a part time job, and is graduating with honors. She'll be following her parents and starting at U of Arizona in the fall. Loved and got into U of Washington, and even though we told her we'd make it work, she couldn't justify paying 3X for an undergraduate education from UW that isn't 3X better than the education she'll get at UA.

    My son is in 4th grade, and is a straight A student. Testing for his kenpo purple belt this weekend. Lots of hard work and dedication, and while I can say I've never spanked him, I have "sparred" with him to work on his blocking techniques. May have tapped him a time or two when he lowered his guard, but I'll stress the word tap.

    Sure, there have been times I have wanted to spank them. But I thought better of it and remembered the experts out there that say there are better, more effective ways of punishment that doesn't beget more violence. I would say it's worked for me.

    I would also stress that yes, COVID was very difficult for both of them. My daughter missed out on a year of marching band and winter guard. My son struggled with at home education as for him, being online means Minecraft and play, and not school work. But we worked through it, and they are now just fine. Much better than the millions of Americans who passed away from COVID.
     
  9. QGator2414

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    You are better than I lol. My wife waited and eventually took one Moderna (though not forced in Florida). I did my best to support her in a decision I disagreed with. It was tough for us. I can say there is a reason she never took the second…

    And there was zero chance any of our three kids were going to ever take one of these shots. And that was mutual.
     
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  10. gatordavisl

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    My Gator friend . . . you are better than this. My beliefs about spanking children are different than yours. While my beliefs are grounded in substantial experience and research-informed literature, you are entitled to beliefs that run contrary. But to invoke grooming here is not only inaccurate; it's inappropriate. I readily forgive you if you are willing to apologize.
     
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  11. Gatorrick22

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    And the saddest thing about all this is the poorest... and minorities suffered the most, and they are the Dems base voters' children.

    They are literally making things worse for their own people.
     
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    Hopefully there won’t be another pandemic, but if there is, I’m sure lessons will be learned, and states will adjust.

    I’d be curious just how far some of the red states would go to not take any precautions, considering deaths doesn’t seem to be a factor with the “party of life”.
     
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  13. gator95

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    We had news organizations literally not letting anything anti covid/anti vax even if it was true. That is the problem a lot of people had about the covid coverage.

    How Major Media Outlets Suppressed My COVID Journalism

    Many editors explicitly stated their outlets were “pro-vaccine” and didn’t want to run anything that may promote an iota of “vaccine hesitancy” — even in young, healthy groups for which we still have no data on reduction in severe disease or death.

    One publication, whose whole mission has been from the start to expose and dismantle institutional orthodoxy, uncritically took the mainstream view on vaccine recommendations as gospel. This editor, who had “platformed” my work explaining the oft-justifiability of police shootings of highly violent, threatening suspects — which , again, was in line with their anti-mainstream view —opposed any view critical of vaccine mandates.

    None of this was based on rigorous scientific analysis — it was all premised on a naive trust in public health authorities and pharmaceutical companies.
     
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  14. coleg

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    This is a rare instance that I'll agree with Rick. I'd say that any public school that's still closed due to Covid... is really hurting the students.
     
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    I would much rather live in a society where the individual bears the responsibility of taking care of his own health. The party of my body my choice and the right to choose really went off their rocker with their principles during the pandemic.
     
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  16. jjgator55

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    SMH
     
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  17. jjgator55

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    Refusing to get vaccinated has always been a choice, no one was forced to get vaccinated.
     
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  18. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I didn’t mean that literally Davis.
     
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  19. Gatoragman

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    Only if you wanted to keep your job, fly on a plane, play tennis in NY, play any professional sport, just to name a few!!
     
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  20. swampbabe

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    No public school teachers in Florida were forced to get vaccinated.
     
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