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Publisher sues Escambia over book removal

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  1. pkaib01

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    So why even have school libraries if the parent can just take the child to the city library? Do you hear yourself?
     
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  2. gator_lawyer

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    That's not how constitutional rights work. "You can go engage in free speech on your lawn. You just can't do it in the government's park." Nope. The government doesn't get to ban books from schools simply because it is hostile to gay people.

    From the Supreme Court:
    "With respect to the present case, the message of these precedents is clear. Petitioners rightly possess significant discretion to determine the content of their school libraries. But that discretion may not be exercised in a narrowly partisan or political manner. If a Democratic school board, motivated by party affiliation, ordered the removal of all books written by or in favor of Republicans, few would doubt that the order violated the constitutional rights of the students denied access to those books. The same conclusion would surely apply if an all-white school board, motivated by racial animus, decided to remove all books authored by blacks or advocating racial equality and integration. Our Constitution does not permit the official suppression of ideas. Thus, whether petitioners' removal of books from their school libraries denied respondents their First Amendment rights depends upon the motivation behind petitioners' actions. If petitioners intended by their removal decision to deny respondents access to ideas with which petitioners disagreed, and if this intent was the decisive factor in petitioners' decision, then petitioners have exercised their discretion in violation of the Constitution."
     
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  3. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Easy, because there are so many terrible parents. They need all the help they can get.
     
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  4. Swamplizard

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    For study material? research for assignments?
     
  5. ajoseph

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    That goes both ways, right? But even so, since when does government step in to parent our children?
     
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  6. Swamplizard

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    The 3 books the OP referred too have nothing to do with "Gay" people

    "The Bluest Eye" by Toni Morrison, "The Nowhere Girls" by Amy Reed and "Lucky" by Alice Sebold.

    Ok so The Nowhere Girls touches on the subject but the Bluest Eye is race and Lucky is about Rape
     
  7. pkaib01

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    @gator_lawyer, good luck.
     
  8. gator_lawyer

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    They banned And Tango Makes Three because of hostility to gay people.
     
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  9. ajoseph

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    Since you seem to be in favor of banning the books on schools, I assume you’ve actually read the books? Can you explain for us that have not read the books the context of the offensive passages to the overall story?
     
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  10. Orange_and_Bluke

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    It’s not so much stepping in…it’s having a standard for the parents to know where the line is drawn.
     
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  11. pkaib01

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    I think parents that want to deny access to books that don't conform to their world view are suspect parents. By doing so, they are abdicating their responsibility to guide their children in a world of diverse thoughts and are limiting them to a shared, narrow world view. Perhaps forever stunting the child's own personal development.

    Such hubris.
     
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  12. Swamplizard

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    Honestly I don't approve of banning books I think there is a place for everything some of the books that are on the ban list don't belong in schools but can you still get all of them yes either free online or at your local library, in one of my post I stated that even books as silly as Captain Underpants got banned.

    And yes I have read the Lovely Bones series
     
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  13. ajoseph

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    A standard?!?! There’s one guy in Clay County 5hat is responsible for having 400 books pulled from the shelves. He has single-handedly removed literature available to every other student, because he found the material offensive.

    That is not a good system of discerning standards.

    Rather than removing the books for other children, why doesn’t he just censor his own child?

    Critics brace for more book banning in Florida schools
     
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  14. ajoseph

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    Rather than ban the books, then, how about allow the parents to decide whether the book is appropriate? As I just said above, one guy in Clay County has caused 400 books to be pulled from the shelves. I find that the epitome of selfishness, depriving an entire school of books because of his shallow, over-protective cosseting.
     
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  15. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I think we’re seeing an overreaction from parents and cons due to the craziness and lack of common sense parenting of the libbies.
     
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  16. G8tas

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    No the overreaction is to the ignorant thought that you can protect your kids from being gay if they aren't exposed to those that are gay. Just call a spade a spade
     
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  17. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Nah, you got it all wrong.
    My kids have a couple gay teachers and they are excellent. They aren’t pushing any agenda as far as I can discern.
    The pushback is how extreme and nasty the libbies can be with their agenda.
    If you thought conservatives would gleefully accept the libbie agenda that we’re all supposed to accept weirdos as normal….think again.
    It’s not hateful to notice and pushback on trans or drags for instance in schools.
     
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  18. G8tas

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    What do you find strange or weird or extreme with the books mentioned in the article?
     
  19. Swamplizard

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    the 3 main books they mentioned nothing at all
     
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    it is interesting how they went from personal responsibility to using Big Gov to prevent all children from reading certain books at libraries.
     
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