school closures harmed american education

Thank you. It's hard to believe some folks are taking the time to try and mount an argument that spanking children is beneficial.

 

You've proven your point and I am now convinced - spank away!

 

Now I need to know if Mussolini and Lenin were anti-spanking or pro-spanking.

 

They were two of the first ones to abolish corporal punishment in education.

 

Well you certainly supported policies that have made mental health far worse for everyone. Especially those with the least means. Most of whom were at no real risk to this disease.

No doubt we need to make right what we did wrong. But those who refuse to acknowledge the wrong should be met with the most caution in their thoughts going forward. We could have alleviated so much of this damage if you and those who supported these unnecessary policies would have backed down. But to this day you continue to make excuses for them. Credibility is gained by admitting you learned something. Not from making excuses.

 

You said that started in the mid 1800s, before those guys were born

 

A History of Corporal Punishment - Local Histories

I posted a lot of links up thread, and this one of them. If you look at the timeline, Lenin banned corporal punishment in school pretty much immediately once he took power.

New Jersey was the only state to do so in the US for quite some time.

 

But he got a chance to tie Lenin and Mussolini to a policy he didn't like, so it is a valid argument.

 

I’m not sure people without children can fully comprehend the situation.
Some kids need an occasional spank. It’s therapeutic for the child and for mom and dad. Lol.

 

Hindsight is always 20/20. And it's easy to admit you were always right when you ignore all the data that doesn't support your conclusions! It's no wonder you admire Dr. Lapado, who recommended kids 12 and older not to get the shot based on one study, while literally deleting the results of additional studies in his recommendation report. Unfortunately for you and Dr. Lapado, all recent studies have proven his recommendation to be bad, as there is much more risk from infection than vaccination. Also recently, unvaccinated kids 12 and older are 10X more likely to be hospitalized from COVID. Are you willing to admit you were wrong about pediatric vaccination for kids 12 and older?

Yes, we made mistakes. But that's to be expected. Again, nobody old enough to make decisions was around the last time we had a global pandemic the likes of what we saw with COVID. Unfortunately, a coronavirus pandemic also didn't follow the same patterns of a flu generated pandemic. So many of the learnings we had from the Spanish Flu didn't apply to COVID. But there was no way of knowing this at the time, unless you have the ability to predict the future.

Meanwhile, we had several studies posted that showed that closing school had an effect in mitigating the spread of the virus. While most of the kids were at zero risk, again, 30% of our teaching force has a comorbidity because they are 50 years or older. They were at greater risk, and schools aren't just vacuums with teachers locked in a classroom with their respective kids. Teachers also are around other teachers, and other adult support staff. Keeping schools open meant at-risk adults would have more interaction with other adults, as well as older kids for teachers who taught middle and high school.

Last, I point out again what was learned in the UK, which first tried to gain herd immunity while protecting the most vulnerable. That directive was called the biggest mistake in public health history. It failed miserably. So bad that after about six weeks, the UK altered course significantly and started doing things like closing schools and restaurants. And despite that failure on an epic level, and plenty of data to support just how bad it was, there's an outlier group of doctors that said that was the correct course of action, and what you think we should have done too? Who here, isn't learning?

 

Anthony Fauci, please report to the principal's office.

 

Yes correct, 1867 was before 1917. Lenin wasnt even born until 1870.

 

It takes a special mind to condemn Mussolini or Lenin for outlawing the beating of children.

 

I'm sure it was therapeutic for Ted Bundy to strangle a co-ed too

 

We knew so much. But the propaganda got you instead of making you ask questions.

There was never a reason to authorize these shots for young healthy people. We knew these shots did not work as advertised. While everyone focused on the small therapeutic help they may have provided early on…it was clear they did not slow spread. Look no farther than Massachusetts which had to report in July of 2021 what we knew. The vaccinated were just as susceptible as the unvaccinated. The data out England was showing this with who was dying.

We ignored science but pounded the propaganda. This really was not hindsight. It was bad enough we shut down for Spring 2020 in Florida. But for anyone supporting anything past that…the propaganda got them. And to still not acknowledge it is concerning.

 

If you think I'm dismissing the argument on the basis of association with Lenin and Mussolini, then go back and read what I wrote again. I specifically said that is not a reason to outright dismiss the argument against corporal punishment. Not everything Lenin and Mussolini did was necessarily wrong, although they did a lot that was wrong. The argument could also be made that Hitler and Mao did not ban corporal punishment. So, it is a wash.

The larger point was a person with the mindset of revolution, change, progress, or whatever you want to call it, can do some good things, but they can also do some royally bad things too. If you decide to go around overturning a lot of institutions and practices, then some of it might go well. Some it might be a wash and not very important in the scope of history. And some things might be royally huge mistakes that get written about in the history textbooks. Someone who has a mindset that they must leave their mark on society by way of revolution, change, and progress will engage in much riskier behavior than the one who takes a cautious conservative approach.

 

Spanking (hitting a child) is child abuse.

 

A person with the mindset of reviving older practices out of some reactionary desire to return to the past is capable of the same things, and also people who would defend the status quo by resisting any change, very useful observation lol

 

You are so full of it, I don't know why I respond. The reason we vaccinate isn't to produce immunity. That's a nice side effect of many vaccinations, but no vaccine in the history of mankind has ever been 100% effective at producing immunity. The term breakthrough case existed long before COVID-19.

No, the reason we vaccinate is to train our immune system so that when we encounter the pathogen, our body knows how to react, and can deal with the pathogen in a quick manner. Our body's immune system is amazing when it works correctly, and if you have ever gotten a "24-hour bug," that's your immune system at work. There is no such thing as a pathogen that only infects a person for 24 hours. It's simply a pathogen that the body has encountered before, and instead of you being sick for days, your immune system quickly recognizes the pathogen and deals with it quickly.

The results of the vaccine has been obvious. Even with a high infection rate, the reduction of severity, complications, and quicker recovery time have been seen in many studies, including this one. Even if a vaccine offers low probability of immunity, why wouldn't you want to take one that reduces your risk of severity, complications, and quickens your recovery time? How the bleep is that considered a failure? Or simply a therapeutic effect?

Meanwhile, how many children ended up in the hospital that was preventable through vaccination? The previous link, again, found that unvaccinated kids 12 - 17 were 10X more likely to be hospitalized with COVID. And the risk from the vaccine? Significantly smaller than the risk from infection. I can see the argument for not vaccinating 11 and older, as the difference in hospitalization rates are much smaller. But 12 and older? Plenty of data and peer reviewed journal articles showing efficacy of the vaccine.

So who should we believe? Experts with years of education and practical experience, publishing in well respected, peer reviewed journals about the efficacy of the vaccine? Or a random Internet poster who claims people who do so are giving in to propaganda?