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New Durham report criticizes the FBI for investigating Dear Leader…

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, May 15, 2023.

  1. Gatorrick22

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    You're out of order! Lol... keep dreaming.
     
  2. pkaib01

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    Refute his assertion with facts, wontcha?
     
  3. mikemcd810

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    You must have rick blocked
     
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  4. ursidman

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    I find it odd that Durham repeatedly uses the phrase “stir up a scandal” referring to Clinton campaign and involving trump and Russia. Since it is now clear and should have been clear to Durham that, at the very least, executives in trump’s campaign were in close contact with Russians, and several lied about it, this choice of phrase is curious and seems designed as rear guard defense.
     
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  5. coleg

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    Poster typed a lot of words to say ....... I got no facts to support my position, but I strongly dislike yours. LOL
     
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  6. mdgator05

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    To be fair to Durham, that wording is from John Ratcliffe, Freedom Caucus member and Trump DNI (I previously wrongly stated he was NSA, he was actually DNI under Trump). Of course, that wording is used and not challenged by Durham. I'd propose the goal is exactly what we have seen here. Use language that is suggestive of something that they don't have evidence to back, but don't explicitly state it, then filter it through a second report, then let people interpret it to back the position with no evidence. Unfortunately for Durham, that game doesn't work in court (leading to him being unable to secure convictions). Fortunately for him, it does work when you have people that want to believe the untrue thing is true.
     
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  7. GatorJMDZ

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    I accept that you don't understand the difference between collusion and conspiracy and that you have no interest in learning.

    Myth: Mueller found “no collusion.”
    Response: Mueller spent almost 200 pages describing “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” He found that “a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” He also found that “a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations” against the Clinton campaign and then released stolen documents.

    While Mueller was unable to establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians involved in this activity, he made it clear that “[a] statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.” In fact, Mueller also wrote that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”

    To find conspiracy, a prosecutor must establish beyond a reasonable doubt the elements of the crime: an agreement between at least two people, to commit a criminal offense and an overt act in furtherance of that agreement. One of the underlying criminal offenses that Mueller reviewed for conspiracy was campaign-finance violations. Mueller found that Trump campaign members Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner met with Russian nationals in Trump Tower in New York June 2016 for the purpose of receiving disparaging information about Clinton as part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” according to an email message arranging the meeting. This meeting did not amount to a criminal offense, in part, because Mueller was unable to establish “willfulness,” that is, that the participants knew that their conduct was illegal. Mueller was also unable to conclude that the information was a “thing of value” that exceeded $25,000, the requirement for campaign finance to be a felony, as opposed to a civil violation of law. But the fact that the conduct did not technically amount to conspiracy does not mean that it was acceptable. Trump campaign members welcomed foreign influence into our election and then compromised themselves with the Russian government by covering it up.

    Mueller found other contacts with Russia, such as the sharing of polling data about Midwestern states where Trump later won upset victories, conversations with the Russian ambassador to influence Russia’s response to sanctions imposed by the U.S. government in response to election interference, and communications with Wikileaks after it had received emails stolen by Russia. While none of these acts amounted to the crime of conspiracy, all could be described as “collusion.”

    These 11 Mueller Report Myths Just Won’t Die
     
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  8. Gatoragman

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    Just like clockwork but you must have been busy reading the latest guidelines on what to stay about the report, expected this retort at least 7 minutes sooner!!!
    Carry on
     
  9. ursidman

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    I found its use unnecessarily pejorative for a “just the facts” investigator.
     
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  10. tampagtr

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  11. ursidman

    ursidman VIP Member

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    I don’t think Tommy has thought this one through. I like his consistency in that.

    Biden as President for life: no thanks - even if it is close to happening anyway
     
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  12. tampagtr

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    Very clever. Pretty sure TT has not "thought this one through". That would require thought on the front end to complete. Then again, they are always trying end democracy
     
  13. mrhansduck

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    Looks like he's up for election in 2026. Maybe his supporters will heed his suggestion and not vote.
     
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  14. WC53

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    Durham. Pardons for 2 mil. Election fraud. Rudy! Hooker or porn star
     
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  15. gtr2x

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    Comey..,. The one guy both sides hate.
     
  16. duggers_dad

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    I assume FBI officials will go to jail for this ?

    j/k
     
  17. okeechobee

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    I like the sentiment, but I'm trying to figure out what exactly Barr did with the Mueller report? Especially in light of the fact the Russia thing has been confirmed to be exactly what Donald Trump told us, "a hoax." At the very least, Barr wasn't sabotaging someone's political career. But the Mueller investigation was supposed to be about Russia and the Russia thing is a scam that the government ran on us to influence our vote. That's not democracy. That's something a banana republic does.

    I am very bothered by a government who went out of its way to improperly influence an election. I don't care who the subject was. That's not democratic. At all.
     
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  18. okeechobee

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    So we should just ignore it, because JFK was assassinated by our government and if they could get away with that, we should let them keep getting away with it? That's your spin? I don't care what they've done, if it's anti-democratic, it needs to be stopped or you and I will both pay the price.
     
  19. gatorchamps960608

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    If there was a way this post could be more wrong than 100%, it would be.

    The idea that Trump's involvement with Russia was a hoax is a hoax. You clearly have never read the Mueller Report or the GOP Senate Intelligence Report on Trump/Russia.

    As for influencing votes, none of the Russia stuff got any traction in the media until after Trump took office. The MSM was too busy pounding Hillary with the "but her emails" story.
     
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  20. snatchmagnet

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    Can u link the report please?