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New Durham report criticizes the FBI for investigating Dear Leader…

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, May 15, 2023.

  1. GatorNorth

    GatorNorth Premium Member Premium Member

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    Let’s just be honest, regardless of what you think about Durham or Mueller, what the FBI did with Crossfire Hurricane and what Bill Barr did with the Mueller Report were despicably partisan hack efforts beneath what our country being a “nation of laws not men” is supposed to mean.

    We can bicker and finger point over partisan minutiae here all day long but until a significant portion of this country is willing to say each side sucks and are SOLELY driven by the same power hunger and self-interest to win elections and control people that the other party is, and then actually DO SOMETHING about it, then this country will continue to spiral into the amoral abyss and be morally and fiscally bankrupt, despite the pretty words written on our 250 year old parchment in the National Archives.

    How can we expect our voters to be righteous when those we elect or appoint to govern us are so corrupted by partisan goals, self enrichment and power?
     
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  2. gator95

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    Agree. Well done. IF we can't stand up to just blatant lying then we are nothing more than a banana republic. Both sides are idiots. The sooner everyone realizes that the better. I left the right side a while back. Never felt better honestly.
     
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  3. G8trGr8t

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    Trump lost because he is Trump and enough people were willing to recognize that the emperor had no robes and everything he said was a lie.
     
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  4. G8trGr8t

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    did team trump meet with russian agents and provide them with data on voters?
    did russia run bot farms targeting those people identified by team trump with massive amounts of misinformation?
    does that matter to you?

    Mueller's scope was neutered by Barr specifically so he could not prosecute those matters.
    does that matter?
     
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  5. cocodrilo

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    You're right. It doesn't matter anymore what this country is "supposed to mean," with the corruption and power at any cost and a blatant criminal and traitor like Trump possibly getting another term in office. Eventually grocery stores will be selling toilet paper with the brand name "The Constitution." Throw in our everyday mass shootings that Republican politicians don't give a damn about, because they're beholden to the sacred NRA that wants to see those AR rifles keep selling for the purpose of slaughtering people. America today is like a Stephen King horror novel, and I don't want to see the movie.
     
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  6. g8trjax

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    Someone on the other end of the earpiece...shut this down!! :emoji_joy:
     
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  7. mrhansduck

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    From the article in OP:

    Durham’s findings that the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign should not have happened are at odds with a previous Justice Department inspector general investigation into the FBI’s Russia probe, which identified problems with the investigation but concluded in December 2019 there was sufficient justification to open the inquiry.

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    I haven't read either report, but if this is accurate, will people just cite the report they like better?
     
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  8. Gatoragman

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    No, it doesn't bother me they met with Russians as long as they didn't give them any classified info and it doesn't appear any of that happen. It does bother me that Russia is meddling in our elections, but this wasn't the first one and won't be the last one.
    Does it bother you that everything stemmed from the Clinton campaign?
    Does it concern you that the federal government was acting against a presidential candidate that in turn became the president on made up information?
    Does it concern you they lied and manipulated documents to Judges to get fisa warrants?
    Does it bother you this came from hearsay from hearsay and no factual basis and no investigating the source before moving forward?
    Does it bother you Hillary done this to cover and take away from her email situation.
     
  9. tampagtr

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    Could not disagree more on Crossfire Hurricane. That was a well predicated investigation that was absolutely necessary to defend the United States. Not remotely a close call.
     
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  10. WC53

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    Never thought there was collusion. Now were, Trump, Bannon, Flynn, Rudy, Manafort (ok maybe he colluded) useful idiots? Yup. Trump seems to be the land of broken crazy toys. Huge Natsec issues with the crazy squad, bigly.
    Sort of like Hannity and the Clinton death squad :)
     
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  12. GatorNorth

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    Playing devil's advocate, then why did the FBI issue a statement this morning referencing "dozens of corrective actions" implemented in its wake?



    Statement on Report by Special Counsel John Durham | Federal Bureau of Investigation
     
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  13. tampagtr

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    Or better yet, don't rely on the conclusion in either report. For that matter, you don't even need to rely upon the facts set forth in the investigation. Just consider the undisputed easily available public information, and I defy anyone loyal to the United States to deny the appropriateness of the criminal investigation, not to mention whatever happened to the counterintelligence investigation, or the neglected NY Field Office investigation, which was obvious even before one of the main leaders was exposed as a Russian asset
     
  14. WarDamnGator

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    Correction... No convictions for Russian collusion... That doesn't mean there should not have been an investigation... Plenty of reasons to investigate...
     
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  15. ajoseph

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    I assume this is said in jest, and if so, well done. But for those who don’t see the humor here, Trump won the 2016 election that was the subject of the investigation.
     
  16. Gatoragman

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  17. ajoseph

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    Your last paragraph is dead-on fact. The FBI is not your friend when they have you or your family or friend in their sights.
     
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  18. g8trjax

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  19. GatorNorth

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    Switching gears, I respect that Garland distributed the ENTIRE report to members of Congress in the exact condition he received it.

    Unlike what that partisan hack Barr did to the Mueller report.
     
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  20. ajoseph

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    The best evidence to underscore your point is that Durham could not think of a single recommendation to make the FBI better, and admitted as much. Conversely, the Justice Department apolitically found in its internal investigation that confirmation bias is real and they enacted reforms to neuter it from future investigations.