Daniel Penny’s defense fund over $1M after manslaughter charge in Jordan Neely subway death

You're right, at this stage I, and everyone else, are making assumptions based on limited information.

 

In a subway tunnel? That's ridiculous.

 

Unfortunately Penny wasn't there to get himself arrested...

 

Right wingers never met a vigilante killer they didn’t like. Why?

 

Maybe we can vigilante police Jax. Seems like a shit hole last few days.

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Conceding that I may have missed it, according to all of the accounts that have read in the media the confrontation between Neely and Penny as well as the other subway riders never reached the point of a physical altercation or at least not until it was initiated by Penny. While verbal harassment by a mentally unstable homeless person can be very disturbing it can never justify a physical response. I also have the feeling that were the victim White and the perpetrator Black he never would have been able to raise the now $1.8 million defense fund.

 

Grim stuff when police unions are promoting the legal defense of vigilantes, I suppose even the cops don't even care for the 'law' part of law and order

 

With his training, he had dozens of other choices, none of them lethal.

 

Verbal harassment in no way justifies a physical response.

 

I may be wrong in this but I thought I read where Neely was still breathing when Penny let him go? Have any of you heard that too? I don't know how that may change your opinion but if that is case he didn't choke him to death. All this thread is mostly speculation and didn't know that Neely still breathing had come out or was it a false account.

 

Not according to this:

Man who held Jordan Neely in fatal chokehold on NYC subway 'never intended to harm' him: attorneys
According to Penny himself and apparently some witnesses Neely was still breathing while he (Penny) was still choking Neely.

 

The medical examiner has ruled that death was caused by compression of the neck and ruled the death a homicide.

 

Did he actually threaten people's lives? A link from a credible source would be appreciated. Also, even assuming he used threatening language, absent an overt act or the display of a weapon a physical attack especially an attack of the nature putting his life in jeopardy still would not have been justified.

 

Your beloved Soft on Crime approach ain't working.

 

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."

Unless the words are shouted out in the presence of an ex-Marine with an imperfect grasp of chokeholds and a possible hero complex. Then your words will kill you.

 

If you perceive someone as a threat and there is abundant arrests to back up your perceptions…..

 

If he threatened harm (or to kill) to someone and that someone decided not to allow that to happen, or someone interceded on their behalf, then yes the physical response was justified IMO.

 

You get to kill someone and break the law?

 

Penny knew nothing of Neely's arrest record. How could he?