Boy turns into girl, then rapes friend…going to male prison

First, define "woman" for me.

Then explain to me how that definition is logical.

 

So we are moving from "child-bearing individuals" to women? You would concede that "child-bearing individuals" would not include all women, right? If that's the case however we would define it would not be in purely reproductive terms, correct? Anyways, I think I've said before I have no reason to not go with the dictionary definition, it would cover most cases. Gay is defined in the dictionary too, but there are presumably people who sleep with the same sex that might not want to identify that way too. I have no reason to pigeon hole them into an identity they dont want, force them to go to pride parades or whatever. Its logical to admit categories devised by people are somewhat arbitary and made of expedience. Language is not precise, which is why we get terms like the one you think is stupid, in the effort to be precise.

 

Right?

 

But don't you think it needs to evolve given the changing times. For instance, feminists tend to look down on the stay-at-home mom, yet that has gone from the standard to somewhat of a luxury in our current society. Is it not problematic that this option has basically been taken away from most women? I pose that question to the right as well with their constant fixation on family values. How is an economic system that forces both parents into the workplace good for the promotion of family values? And what has played a bigger role in the decline of "family values", liberal (feminist) ideology, or the simple fact that most families can't afford to have one parent stay home with the kids?

There's nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home mom and the fact that this option no longer exists is very problematic, IMO, and is something feminists may want to address. What about the woman who wants to stay home with her kids but simply can't afford to due to the rapacious nature of our economic system? Is that not something feminists should concern themselves with?

 

The medical community is diverse. So not everyone handles it the same way. I have heard some anecdotes where doctors or medical associations have felt pressured to lean towards treatment due to current pressures surrounding the trans issue. I’ve also heard commentary that Europe is partially reversing course on this, but the US lags behind.

So, I’m giving you things I’ve heard and read via anecdotes. Not hard evidence. Whatever the case, I’d rather have the medical community sort through it. I don’t want Ron Desantis or Greg Abbots help. Neither are qualified and neither are good faith actors on the issue.

 

Sidebar: I disagree that our economic system is rapacious. Our citizens that can’t live with a 10 year old car or a simple home sized to their budget and can’t live without the newest cell phone and a 72” smart TV and $250 sneakers is where the greed (and poor judgement) is. I will admit that the BS they watch on those big screens reinforces their poor choices. Rant over. Carry on.

 

I wasn't critiquing the professor in any way. I really enjoyed the class, and the way he chose to go about setting it up. I had another philosophy class that was conducted in a similar way about the arguments for the existence of God. I really enjoyed both classes, and I had no issues with the way the professors structured the courses.

 

Whatever. Yeah, private equity and hedge fund managers are the good guys. Check. Got it.

 

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I agree that there is a cabal of Gordon Geckos and worse at the top of the pyramid supported by their politician friends getting rich, but us peons in the trickle down world at the bottom of the pyramid are the boneheads driving the dollars up to the turds at the top and re-electing the turds’ enablers. We are off topic, so I’ll stop here.

 

....only prepetuating (at best) exaggerations about vulnerable groups has plenty of evidence that it's tied to increased violence.

People who have engaged in harassment or violence routinely cite "grooming" or association of non-binary sexuality as mental illness as reasons why they do not tolerate these people. Norton & Herek (2012) cite routine news and social media as sources of blatant lies that inflame this.

We saw similar viral posts and lies lead to violence against "Asian" people during COVID-19: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcomm.2020.00039/full or The Impacts of Social Media Use and Online Racial Discrimination on Asian American Mental Health: Cross-sectional Survey in the United States During COVID-19

Social media's role in violence toward African Americans: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0160597616643868?journalCode=hasa

General role of social media in violence toward minorities: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/ful...0WFVtICkM4gSsr7gmgx1mb1loac4J3r0LGtuko5jJ3pXg

So, yes, what you post on social media matters. The fact you continue to spread lies about transgender people and sexual violence against cis-gender women confirms that. In fact, transgender people are four times more likely to be the victim of sexual abuse.

I'll post this again that links to various articles and data demonstrating this: Why LGBT Advocates Say Bathroom 'Predators' Are Red Herring

 

That is all bullshit to try and bully the other side into silence.

Calling men "men" and treating men as "men" is not intolerance, nor is it responsible for violence. Violent actors are responsible for their own actions.

Trans people are "more likely" to be victims of sexual abuse. Is that because they're being targeted on the streets by people who hate them or is it because they are more likely to be involved in lines of work that are inherently dangerous, like sex work?

I do appreciate your post, however, because it gives away the game. Speaking about these issues causes violence. Because speaking about these issues causes violence, we need to prevent speaking about these issues.

And you guys are the same people that will question how we don't live in a society where people feel comfortable to speak their mind. It's specifically because of people like you. And you want people to not be comfortable to speak their minds, because that's "dangerous."

 

There isnt a singular feminism, and the feminist critiques worth reading are all anti-capitalist in nature, for some of the reasons you identify. Capitalism is hostile to familial social stability. The sort of "girlboss" stuff that permeates modern pop culture isn't particularly feminist IMO.

 

If he is going to a male prison he is about to get his wish about being a woman

 

Yeah, but that group seems to dominate the conversation, especially in political circles. I don't see this issue being addressed by the left or right in this country.

 

Its a capitalist country, I think power and media is going to echo the people that say you just need more women in the higher echelons of power or in STEM fields and everything will be ok, that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the economy or society.

 

I don't buy it. That's the problem with "isms", they're too absolute and are typically self serving over serving the needs of those they claim they are there to serve. They don't address it because it's a difficult and nuanced position that requires intelligent thought and discussion. In other words, everything that political enterprises despise. Theirs is the world of easily understandable, easily templateable and with big, fat emotional handles to grasp onto. They want their followers to react, not think.

 

You don't buy that capitalist media and institutions tend to elevate opinions or ideologies favorable/compatible/useful to their viewpoint?

 

Sort of like a mass shooting. Until a Trump rally gets shot up then republicans don’t care.

 

That viewpoint being what? Ratings?

I'm just speaking generally. Many of these movements seem to have run their course and need to evolve to a new paradigm. Populations are about to crash in the developed world. We have about a 20-30 year buffer due to a large millennial cadre' before we hit a similar wall. Some of these mentalities - many of which were developed in the 60s and 70s - need to evolve with the times.

 

And even then they'll claim "false flag" by liberals.