Daniel Penny’s defense fund over $1M after manslaughter charge in Jordan Neely subway death

It wasn't a fight. At least, not an equal one. Words vs. chokeholds.

I think Penny's best play would have been to wait and see if the situation escalated beyond ranting. If it did escalate into violence on Neely's part, then clearly an equal response is justified. Not a chokehold, though. Perhaps the arm twisted behind the back, or even a knockout punch.

 

I truly mean no offense but that take is a little naive
A knockout punch? This is almost as Hollywood as “shoot him in the leg” advocates
And one doesn’t wait for the violence to escalate in an enclosed environment with zero escape options. Did Penny know Neely was unarmed? Did Penny know what kind of violence Neelys as capable of? If the answer is no he did the right thing in neutralizing the threat immediately

 

Only if the defendant was aware of the past history. This defendant can't use prior conduct of the victim, of which he was totally unaware, to justify his actions. Did you mean to say "propensity?" "Precedent" doesn't make sense in this context.

 

What about immediate history? This seems to be the elephant in the room. Nobody here knows what events precipitated the confrontation. Some claim that it was only verbal, but do we know that? I feel like many have speculated on a case w/o all the relevant facts. If propensity is the proper word, then thank you.

 

Clearly, anything the victim was saying at the time or just before could be used by the defendant to justify his actions. All of that is extremely relevant....it is all part of the res gestae.

 

You were always among the lists of dearly departed

 

You cannot choke people to death on a subway no matter how dark their skin may be. I know that bums the usuals out.

 

A knockout punch kind of like the one Neely threw against the 67 year old woman a couple years back?

 

Why would your racism bum anybody out?

 

Ahhh
You think Penny did this because he is racists? Well that’s what Mayor Adams has now hinted at.
Do you have any proof?

 

I think he’s referring to team “usuals”. Some not naming names have exhibited a considerable cruelty to those shall we say “not like them” and a rather shocking blood lust.

it’s very troubling.

 

Somebody mentioned Death Wish....I'm wondering how many here watched Death Wish thinking Paul Kersey was the bad guy? Obviously a few of you weren't cheering in the theater when Charles Bronson would pull the trigger.

 

I'm sorry, but I just can't accept that death by chokehold was the only, or best, outcome of this incident.

I don't know why a punch is to be despised as an option. That's how it used to be done, before every encounter ended with guns or other lethal measures.

 

You literally got every part of that wrong....that's hard to do.

Zero escape options? You apparently haven't been on a NY train before.
Penny did not need to know Neely was unarmed. Penny had to know Neely was armed before using deadly force. Otherwise a person could use deadly force at every unpleasant encounter based on the premise that the other person might be armed.
Unless Penny knew of Neely's past, Neely's past had nothing to do with the actions he chose to take.

I've posted NY's laws in this thread, please familiarize yourself with them.

 

How do you keep guys like this off juries?

 

Is that all you can do, give me a come on man? How about answering the question. Tell me you watched Death Wish thinking Bronson was the bad guy. Tell me you didn't think to yourself YES! when Bronson shot a thug.

 

Knockout punches rarely are, which leads to more punches. The likelihood of injury is much greater than with a blood choke.

Space lasers are the obvious answer.

 

I think his supporters at all costs are clearly swayed that way. If he choked a white woman to death the support crew wouldnt be so quick to celebrate.

The ex soldier may be a nice guy and well intentioned for all I know but he killed someone who wasn’t threatening his life. Clearly manslaughter.

 

Well, no [kidding]. You think that might be why I mentioned it?

I have not forgotten that. And I’m glad you have not forgotten that. I’m sure your point was meant to go in a different direction, but why do you suppose that was, that two strangers jumped in to help a white guy randomly kill a black guy on the subway that day? I ask myself that, the “why” of it. They were virulent racists, including the inconveniently black guy? They were out to get a mentally ill homeless guy that day? Or they, too, saw and/or heard something that would cause reasonable people to react physically to a threat? I don’t know the answer to that yet. But neither do you.

 

Thank you. You, too, have earned a “no [kidding].”

Your second implication, that the deceased only spoke threats is an assumption at this point. I understand you want that to be true for the narrative, but we don’t know yet what actually transpired before things got physical. We just don’t. But we will.