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Republicans latest attempt to save a dying party - raise the voting age

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, May 12, 2023.

  1. RD_gator

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    The events that had transpired in America during the Vietname War would say that you are wrong in your assumptions.



    Historically, America began with only the land owners having the right to vote. In today's America, how many people actually own their own homes/businesses?

    However, if you have taxable income, then you were allowed to vote!
    It would be a tough deal for many curent voters if the property ownership requirement was acted upon today.


    Here is a rundown on how voting began in the US shortly after the Revolutionary War.

    Not only were Blacks & women considered as disenfranchised voters but so were the majority of whites males who held no property.

    Then, there were Native Americans who had been on these lands for thousands of years prior to the arrival of the english settlers. Many could not vote until 1924 (Indian Citizenship Act).

    Many Asian Immigrants (i.e, Chinese, Japanese, Indians, etc.) were denied the right to become US citizens and the right to vote. These rights were not granted until 1952 for all Americans of Asian decent (& 1943 for Chinese immigrants).

    All throughout the US history, there were many attempts by members from various states (i.e, southern, northern, & western states) to curb the rights of all its citizens.


    So, I disagree with Vivek Ramaswamy in trying to limit voters rights. That just reeks of elitism and the 'hard' lessons learned from our history would be forgotten.



    Timeline of voting rights in the United States - Wikipedia
     
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  2. okeechobee

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    “Dying party” that just took over the House and has a majority of governorships. And since when does one person proposing an idea mean the entire party is endorsing it? Nice of you to go full blown hack status for us. Did they at least send you a cookie?
     
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  3. channingcrowderhungry

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    This is how you tell us you've never hung out with young enlisted folks without telling us you've never hung out with young enlisted folks. lol
     
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  4. slayerxing

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    Most of the older people I know are beyond selfish, small minded, and incapable of seeing beyond the end of their nose. The country would be much better off with old easily influenced people staying away from the voting booth.
     
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  5. oragator1

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    They have lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections. Despite a bad economy and even with gerrymandering and in a mid year cycle for a dem prez, they could only pull out the house by 3 seats. And last I saw more people live under dem governor control than Republican. Same reason the republicans win more states in presidential elections and still lose.

    But the reason I used that term is that term is that demographics are falling away from the republicans. And will continue to do so. And in response the party is doubling down on things that won’t help them expand the party, to put it politely. 89 percent of Republican voters are white, and whites are the fastest declining group in the US. And they have rallied around a guy who completely alienates all the other groups, as do their policies. They have made some inroads with Hispanics in Florida in particular. But not enough to offset what they are losing.
    So their response has been “make it tougher to vote”. Or gerrymanders, or now this. None of it will work without a long term understanding of why they need to trot this garbage out in the first place.
     
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  6. Gatorrick22

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    It is laughable as the Dems wanting to lower the voting age to 16. Both that and this idea are equally nuts.
     
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  7. okeechobee

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    LOL… demographics. Hispanic and minority voters are shifting GOP at historic levels never seen before. Been hearing about “demographics” for decades. The demographics are actually pulling away from Democrats. But I won’t sit here and say Democrats are a “dying party.” I’m also not an idiot, so there’s that too.
     
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  8. okeechobee

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    Actually, allowing minors to vote is much creepier and way more nuts than raising the voting age.
     
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  9. Gatorrick22

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    True, but 21 is the cut off for acceptable, IMHO. But 25 year olds is a bit much even for this Constitutional Populist Pub.
     
  10. danmanne65

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    Holy wow are you advertising how wrong your position is.
     
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  11. WarDamnGator

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    But I’m sure you fine with letting 18 year olds fight your party’s wars…
     
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  12. danmanne65

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    But more seasoned people like you have never learned anything. So let’s them run our country.
     
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  13. danmanne65

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    What the heck. You are an idiot who latches on to any small thing to latch onto. I have looked onto your postings for years. There is an issue in what passes for logic.
     
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  14. PacificBlueGator

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    Young voters are engaging in issues that affect their lives, like climate change. Their turnout was one of the key reasons for turning Georgia from red to blue and hold the Senate for Dems. Seems pretty wise to me considering many older Republican voters have their minds made up it's not an important issue.
     
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  15. tigator2019

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    In my head--- UF
  16. obgator

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    Not to mention forcing 14 and 15 year olds to give birth.
     
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  17. G8tas

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    If you want to see the GOP die fast let Trump lose the nomination
     
  18. okeechobee

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    I am good with 18. Legal adult age. If it goes lower than 18, that’s messed up. Don’t want 21 or 25, but at least that wouldn’t have the “we’re creepin on your kids” vibe to it.
     
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  19. okeechobee

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    Yeah, GOP can’t win without Trump.

    LOL, what are all these garbage takes on a Gators forum??
     
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  20. Gatorrick22

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    Whistling past the graveyard talk. It's all just "collectively" nervous outbursts from the Dems dreading the day that communism dies in America. Lol... and Trump is their grim-reaper.

    They're pissed off that their cabal monopoly on "news" is getting put to rest in a slow methodical way with every new on line conservative site that pops up.

    Rumble is taking off along with several other sites. Trump made CNN get great number of viewers, just to watch Trump dump on them and all the Dems. And he looked very calm cool and collected doing it.

    Trucker is going to Twitter and that means huge paydays for both Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson.

    The Dems voted in the dumbest man to ever hold that Oval Office, and he wears diapers to boot. He probably has a bedpan nurse 24/7 just to change his #hi!!y diaper.

    Inflation... border disorder... war... bad economic numbers... suicidal economic policies, and they know that Trump can and will fix all that crap.
     
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