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Tracking our roster shuffle

Discussion in 'Nuttin but Net' started by exiledgator, Apr 11, 2023.

  1. CASontag

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    Nembhard ended up going to Gonzaga. Hope it works out for him like it did his older brother.
     
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  2. tampajack1

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    Wow! They also got Graham Ike from Wyoming, who is a monster. Maybe they will finally get their natty.
     
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  3. g8wayg8r

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  4. philnotfil

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    Hard on coaches, hard on fans, but more opportunities for players. Unfortunately, not always good opportunities. A lot of kids out there who now have the opportunity to not stick with something and put in the effort to overcome the friction in their lives, just give up and go somewhere else rather than having to reflect on their contributions to the friction in their lives.
     
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  5. spike718

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    fawcett mentioned same on his podcast but info may be coming from same place.
     
  6. murphree_hall

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    I think Clayton has to be the presumptive PG. I just don't see how or why Kugel would play PG over him. I suppose it could happen, but it would be a surprise.
     
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  7. tampajack1

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    He won’t play over him, but he might be the guy running the half-court offense.
     
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  8. murphree_hall

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    If you mean that Clayton would bring the ball up court and then pass it to Kugel who would then run the offense… I don’t see why that would happen, either. I’m not even familiar with that type of offense. What would even be the purpose? The only thing I can think of is the Warriors and Draymond Green, but he is a forward and very different player from Kugel, and Curry is very different from Clayton.

    As a guy who plays PG, I’d be very confused to have to turn it over to my SG to run the half court set.
     
  9. oneatatime

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    Golden is going to give Clayton every opportunity to be our point guard. The primary reason he selected us over Pitino and at 6'2" his only opportunity to have a career in the NBA
     
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  10. exiledgator

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    Do we really think we're getting another starter out of the portal? I'm guessing we're only going to get depth from here.
     
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  11. GatorPlanet

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    If we get one for starting or for depth, it's good. But we've got a pretty full roster already so it won't be bad if we don't land another. We'd certainly make room for Tylor Perry or someone at that level. I love the idea of having three 40% and better 3-point gunners, and that's not counting Riley Kugel. We'd be damned hard to defend.
     
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  12. tampajack1

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    The Lakers offense runs through Lebron. He is not their point guard. I haven’t watched enough of Clayton to determine whether he can break down a defense, draw defenders and distribute the ball. He didn’t look like that type of guard against UConn, but, again, it was a small sample size. Kugel was able to break defenses down better than anyone else on our team last year, and he should be better at it this year; plus he will have a bunch of shooters to kick to this season.
     
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  13. rserina

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    Same way we ran stuff through Castleton at times last year. You can initiate offense a ton of different ways in our halfcourt sets. You can isolate Kugel on the wing. You can run your rapid ball screen action. Modern hoops has no lack of designs that get away from the point guard bringing the ball up, calling a play, and initiating the action.

    In this particular case, I think the premise is that Clayton is exceptionally good off the ball as a cutter and spot up shooter, while Kugel is also exceptionally good on the ball getting to the rim and creating for others (the turnovers are what killed him at times). The two complement one another very well.
     
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  15. murphree_hall

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    Guys, I understand what you are saying, but I think we are talking about different things. What I had initially responded to was an assertion that Kugel would be the actual PG and then the assertion that he would be the one running the half court offense.

    I don’t believe that either Lebron or Castleton “run” the offense. The offense runs through both of these guys, as you both pointed out, but that’s not the same as the person who is running the offense. In Lebron’s case, I think there is a better argument, because he actually functions as the PG in many situations, but that’s a different scenario entirely. What I don’t see as similar is that it would make little sense for Clayton to bring it up and turn it over to Kugel to initiate the offense. In that case, just make Kugel the PG. But then… Clayton is the more experienced and natural PG going back to his high school days, so I wouldn’t understand that.
     
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  16. exiledgator

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    It's a problem for TG to solve (obvs). I think it's a fun roster to play with in terms of having the ability to go small or big.

    He could go Clayton 6'2 Richard 6'4 Kugel 6'5 Jarvis 6'8 Haugh 6'9

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    Aberdeen 6'5 Kugel 6'5 Jarvis 6'8 Sameul 6'10 Handlogten 7'1

    With other pieces and varied skill sets to plug in and out. I don't really care who brings the ball up the court as long as it's not shimmy
     
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  17. gatordavisl

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    This was precisely my reasoning for listing Clayton at the two and Kugel at PG. At the end of the day, it's fun fodder for discussion.
     
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  18. Finlake48

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    I’ll put my 2 cents in again lol. Watched Kugel and Aberdeen in HS. Aberdeen can handle the press. Kugel struggles. Yes Kugel is good one on one (isolation) on the wing. But too loose with the ball to beat trapping pressure defense in the backcourt. I didn’t see anything different last year. Just my opinion
     
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  19. chargator

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    I hope we’re all under estimating what Aberdeen will bring to the table.
    Due to TG heavily focusing on adding another PG, it does make you wonder a little, what TG thinks he’s capable of.
     
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  20. Finlake48

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    I think Aberdeen will be solid. Not a dynamic scorer…but then again..I think he can beat his man off the dribble better than Loften was able to last year.
     
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