Why Natalie Beisner switched parties

True. And other times it may be a grift since switching sides seems like a great way to get attention and clicks. But it's tough to discern which is which. I wonder how many posters on here have drastically changed their worldview in a relatively short time period? I suspect few, if any. Probably less likely the older people get though.

 

Mickey Mouse says hello!

How Big Business Fell Out of Love with the GOP

Small business is mainly independent.

Which Political Party Do Small-Business Owners Identify With the Most?

 

There's a difference though between unsupported by evidence and proven wrong by evidence. It's been proven that the election was not stolen so to continue to believe that is a fringe belief.

 

I could be wrong, but I tend to think of "fringe" as being more of a statistical proposition. If a position is held by 30 to 40% of Americans, I'm not sure it's really fringe by definition.

 

Yes DeSantis's war with Disney and all of a sudden Republicans are completely "anti-business."

Not even Ron DeSantis is anti-business, quite the opposite in fact.

Also, that link you shared that was supposed to prove "small businesses are mainly independent," almost twice as many small business owners identified with the Republican Party compared to those who identified with the Democratic Party. It was 39% against 22%. And more identified with the Republican Party (39%) than considered themselves independent (29%).

 

That too. Correct.

 

It's also been proven that men can't have babies.

Again if that is the standard for "fringe" there's not a single person in DC who isn't "fringe."

 

The part I bolded seems the most telling to me. I would bet that if we as a country could go back to the way society was in the mid-90's and the heart of the Clinton years, the majority of conservatives would take that in a heartbeat. Betting the majority of liberals would not take that deal to go back to the 90's.
Which means to me it seems like the Democrats have moved much farther left, and much quicker and the Republicans have gone batshit crazy trying to counteract it.
Whenever someone pushes an agenda, expect pushback - in either direction.

 

oh, the Big Gov luvers.....Desantis isn't even the first Regulation Ron.

Regulation

For all the administration's talk about deregulation (for example, from the know-nothing commission which George Bush headed), it has done little. Much of what has been done began under Carter, such as abolition of the Civil Aeronautics Board and deregulation of oil prices. Carter created the momentum and Reagan halted it. In fact, the economic costs of regulation have grown under Reagan.

Some deregulation has occurred for banks, intercity buses, ocean shipping, and energy. But nothing good has happened in health, safety, and environmental regulations, which cost Americans billions of dollars, ignore property rights, and are based on the spurious notion of "freedom from risk." But the Reagan administration has supported state seat-belt and federal air-bag requirements. This concern for safety, however, was never extended to the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) rules, which, by imposing fuel-efficiency standards, promote the production of small cars. The shift to small cars will cause an estimated 10,000 to 20,000 highway deaths over the next ten years.

Bureaucracy

By now it should not be surprising that the size of the bureaucracy has also grown. Today, there are 230,000 more civilian government workers than in 1980, bringing the total to almost three million. Reagan even promoted the creation of a new federal Department of Veterans' Affairs to join the Departments of Education and Energy, which his administration was supposed to eliminate.

Trade

The Reagan administration has been the most protectionist since Herbert Hoover's. The portion of imports under restriction has doubled since 1980. Quotas and so-called voluntary restraints have been imposed on a host of products, from computer chips to automobiles. Ominously, Reagan has adopted the bogus fair-trade/free-trade dichotomy, and he was eager to sign the big trade bill, which tilts the trade laws even further toward protectionism.

The Sad Legacy of Ronald Reagan | Sheldon L. Richman.

Can I getta Mises institute LOL?

 

Done. I'll take that deal right now. I'll even oppose impeaching him.

 

I would say its more like Republicans are being seen as not reliably "pro-business," which its true doesn't mean you are "anti-business"

 

Just some random person. Switched 3 years ago. Not an elected person.

Here’s a GOP going dem
Colorado Republican turns Democrat over ‘existential threat’ from GOP | Colorado | The Guardian

 

Yes I get your point but I just think that denying the election results is too important to give anyone a pass simply because both sides have dumb positions.

 

Should we say the same about the people who say Gore won the election in 2000?

There's people who still say that to this day.

 

No, because those people are correct. I cant say it was stolen, because the court decided the winner, not a full counting of the votes, which we will never get, so we cant say for sure. Ultimately Gore conceded, so its a moot point. No one with any power considered Bush an illegitimate president.

 

You could say the same thing for Democrats in 1965 versus 1938. Unsurprisingly, people who have principles aren't keen on rolling back civil rights gains. People in the 90s were very anti-gay. And I'm not willing to throw gay people under the bus. If that's moving much farther to the left, so be it. I consider it being a decent human being.

 

Last I saw, the winner of Florida would have depended on the method used for counting ballots. In any event, the Republicans on the Supreme Court intervening to stop the recount was one of the most repugnantly partisan things that institution has done.

 

How can you say those people were correct that Gore was the winner when not all the votes were counted?

 

I was a facetious comment, I thought the emoji was a tell. I edited my post for clarity.

 

ELECTION DENIER! FASCIST!