Mass Shooting Allen, TX Outlet Mall - May 6, 2023

You act like this is a new thing? One of them is about to go to prison for their part in January 6th

 

Terrorism gets attention. Random gun violence around the country is not terrorism. Mass shootings targeting innocent civilians is terrorism. That’s why it gets headlines. Because people are afraid (justified or not) that it will be them or their family that gets shot up at a school/church/mall/dance studio/bank etc. It’s not the same as gang violence in Chicago for example. That doesn’t scare people because it’s easy to avoid the wrong parts of Chicago for most everyone.

 

I couldn’t care less about anything you enjoy.

 

Yes. I think this was one of the people who rushed to help the injured and he seems traumatized by what he saw. His suggestions lacked in specifics but I agree with the sentiment.

 

I like this perspective. At least leverage it to get more funding for mental health issues. That likely won’t put a dent in the gun death issue, but it could marginally help those with mental health issues.

 

I actually think it is an insightful take. Democrats want more mental health care. Now perhaps Republicans do to, for different reasons. Why not capitalize on it?

 

You're both living in a dream world if you think GOP pols are going to fund anything to deal with this crisis.

 

I don't think @gators81's post is the fallacy of bothsideism. His argument doesn't attempt to present two opposing positions as equally valid or reasonable, even when one side has overwhelming evidence or support.

You may disagree with him and are certainly free to challenge, but he is not being fallacious.

 

Don't believe that Republicans care about mental health. They use it as a scapegoat and would vote against funding at the first opportunity

 

Maybe, so call them on it and see how it unfolds (which is the point he was making and has been made on these threads before). Democrats are just as responsible for the "doing nothing" as Republicans are.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

Oh neither do I, but it backs them in a corner. Once they refuse to do anything about the issue they’ve isolated inaction is on them. Someone somewhere has to have a conscience and vote against party lines or maybe just maybe some of these useless people get voted out.

 

'Calling them out' is also kinda doing nothing

 

I think you are picking at my phrasing rather than my intended meaning. Just to clarify, this is an opportunity to work on another avenue that can either be shown to be fruitful or not fruitful (or perhaps even fruitful, but not in a way that helps with this particular problem). But working together towards productive mental health funding/legislation is the act of "calling out" in this case. In 81's words:

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

I don't think that's true for all but seems to be for many. There are a lot of people who don't support universal healthcare even for physical ailments because it's socialist. Some believe that psychiatry and psychology are causing far more problems than they help with and that prescriptions themselves are responsible for mass shootings. Yet others mock and insult trans people as mentally ill groomers and want to ban treatment for them regardless of what their doctors say. There's an element of the right that I think believe mental health experts are more evil than Faucci.

 

We can’t give basic healthcare at an affordable price to our citizens how the heck are we going to tackle their mental health?

Edit to add mental health in mass shooting is a canard. This guy for example is just a mean nasty dude. No amount of counseling would change that.

 

Call them out for what? That does nothing. The Mental Health Matters Act passed in the house at the end of last year on a party line vote. Only ONE Republican voted for it. It went on to die in the Senate

 

If you follow any politician's social media, all they do is do 'call outs,' like all the time. Some might argue that calling out the other side wont result in much cooperation, and you are also assuming Republicans are motivated by shame or the threat of electoral backlash, quite the opposite, they seem to revel in their shamelessness if it makes the libs mad/cry, and they hardly have to worry about electoral backlash other than being perceived as too cucked by their voters.

 

Well we could take on white supremacy, but we'd have to abolish the GOP and a lot of right-wing media, probably not going to get that through the Senate

 

It seems to me the two ends of the spectrum of solutions to address gun violence are to take all the guns or build better, healthier communities. Healthier communities require investment in education, health and mental health access, poverty, income inequality, economic opportunities, and addressing social disintegration ("Socialism!!"). The Republican Party seems to be vehemently against trying either scenario. So we are left with trying to find piecemeal measures to mitigate the violence, all the while people die. It is a bit frustrating.