Mass Shooting Allen, TX Outlet Mall - May 6, 2023

You make an interesting point. My HS had its contingent of rednecks who had they rifles in the back window of their trucks as well(1986). Never was one pulled out.
Worst we had was the typical brawl on occasion and almost always 1v1.
My sons HS has one weekly and often 10v10 with a hundred videoing the whole thing.

There has been a culture change in the last 30 years.

 

We aren't "solving" some problems but you can mitigate them. We don't stop drunk driving but we legislate the hell out of traffic, vehicles and alcohol. The problem is any holistic measures get stopped in their tracks when talking about stricter gun reform. Any measures are seen as unacceptable threats to liberty. As stated ad nauseum, mental illness isn't a U.S. patent.

 

Either you weren’t following along with that convo, or you don’t know what a strawman is.

 

Just something to consider even though divorce rate is dropping hasn’t out of wedlock birth gone up dramatically?
Certainly there may be less divorce but that may be in part because so many aren’t getting married to begin with.

 

You’ve in part answered the question question. Single shot rifles are so 1970’s. That’s also what’s changed. What’s the fun in shooting that when a mentally ill person can now buy an AR 15 and unlimited ammo and shoot large numbers of people like they are playing a virtual reality game?

 

Do you think someone who is going to do this is going to go buy gun insurance?

What’s the penalty for have an outlawed gun?

A left leaning poster recently suggested 10 years if caught in possession of an unlicensed firearm, is that acceptable to you?

 

Joe Manchin opposed gun reform. So whatever bills the dems passed in the House, did not get through the 50-50 Senate.

The only other realistic opportunity for the dems to pass something was Obama’s first two years. Not sure gun control was as prioritized then, Sandy Hook was probably the last straw for a lot of people but that was 2012.

 

That may be part of it but from what I see now the amount of brawls in Middle schools and HS is crazy. Kids just pummeling each other, guy on the ground 5 guys kicking and stomping him.
When I was in school that would have been stopped by the crowd. The crowd wouldn’t let a kid get demolished.
Now the crowd eggs it on.

Something has changed ImHO.

 

Dems floated plenty of stuff the manchin didn’t support.
point is they didn’t try.

 

Not well, because it would require personal responsibility and accountability from everyone and we can't have that. We gotta point the finger and blame the inanimate object for our woes. That's so much easier. Kick that can down the road.

 

I also mentioned Denmark and Sweden. Divorce is also common in South Korea and Canada, for examples - and lots of countries that aren’t police states and where women have choices. I’m just not convinced that divorce rates are a key issue when we evaluate other countries that don’t have the mass shootings we have.

 

From the article I linked:

“Cohen notes that both marriage and divorce rates are dropping. And as the divorce rate is calculated as a percentage of marriages, the 18% fall in divorces between 2008 (when ACS began collecting data) and 2016 isn’t merely a consequence of fewer marriages. The implication is that contemporary unions are lasting longer than those of 10 years ago.”

Out of wedlock births have soared but impact the black community significantly (8x) more than the white community, and I don’t think a large percentage of these mass shooters are black, are they?


An analysis of out-of-wedlock births in the United States

But what they are is male. 98% of mass shooters in the US are male. 49 of every 50! Is our mental illness only a male affliction? Hint:it’s also the gun, not just divorce, single parent families or mental illness).



Death toll on TX up to 9. Shit.

 

What's shady in daytona beach is a good example of that. Nightlife on Seabreeze Ave was always dirty and had potential for a fight but not like the brawls that happen now. I attribute a lot to social media

 

Which should help this situation in a couple of years. What about out of wedlock births? The ones where the boys don’t know who their father is but knows there’s a different guy pounding his mom every month. There’s also the situation that far too many people (married or not) who are simply too self centered to be even mediocre, much less decent or good parents. I’ve been out of youth coaching since 2016 but did it continuously from 1998 until then. I can’t tell you all of the heartbreaking instance where my children and I waited 30, 40, even 60 minutes for parents to pick up their child from practice or a game. I’ve had boys whose parents didn’t see them play all season. Jeez people, at least pretend you love your kids more than your boyfriend/girlfriend, happy hour, or driving range time.

 

Murder rates are considerably lower now than they were in the 1970s. So those that had such respect for life and civility to others overall were killing each other at much higher rates. Why do you think that is?

 

Meh, you still have 40 to 50 percent odds of divorcing if you get hitched. That's pretty abysmal.

 

Not being able to do is no excuse to not even trying.

Imagine if we raised our kids that way.

 

You didn't read the data in the link did you? Because if you had, you would know that is false.

 

When your math fails, play the Meh card. So much easier than actually reading something.

Divorce rates are static at best the past 20 years, not increasing overall at worst, and decreasing significantly among people 35-40. You know, the people with young kids at home. Where they are increasing slightly is in people over 50. People who generally don’t have young kids at home any more, so your premise that shootings are up because divorce is causing broken homes that lead to shootings is completely incorrect. That’s not my opinion, that’s the math. But Meh is so much easier.

 

You'll be mocked for posting that, but it is those kids who are doing this shit going into schools, malls, nightclubs, etc. It's that kid that was waiting for 60 minutes for his parent to pick him up from practice. Guarantee if you look deep into any of these people's childhoods, it'll be marred with shitty parents. Look at just about every mass murderer in human history and they all had shitty upbringings. But about that 2nd Amendment tho...