The GOP's Next Front in the War on Women: No Fault Divorce

You guys are really struggling with humor.

 

Who are "they"?
Are "they" just banning no fault divorce instigated by women?

 

Although the statutory change would apply equally to men and women considering that 70% of divorces in the US are initiated by women it would affect women much more than men.
Article on the effect of no fault divorce laws on women.
No-fault Divorce Laws May Have Improved Women's Well-being

 

God bless you... Someone has to argue the other side but geez it has to be tough. Maybe I'll switch sides for a few weeks to give you a break.

 

50 years here. I can't understand why it seems to be so hard to make a marriage work. I've got a very stable family and extended family. Out of all my grandparents, parents, aunts & uncles, brothers & sisters, cousins, children and grandchildren I have 1 Aunt and 1 Son who have been divorced. I did have a cousin shoot his wife in the head though, ruled an accident I am not 100% convinced it was though.

 

Most people are not emotionally or financially equipped to be in a marriage, even less so to have children. The problem is mostly with men (not entirely obviously) which explains why women are increasingly less willing to date people in their respective age range and less likely to have children.

 

Actually, having parents who have grown to despise and scream at each other 24/7 yet stay married for financial reasons, like my parents did, is far more tragic than each parent having a chance for happiness on their own.

 

So you clearly aren’t a part of the ever shrinking freedom loving wing of the Republican Party. You prefer the growing Republican nanny state wing.

 

There’s nothing wrong with no-fault divorce when you have two people who, for whatever reason, just want to sever their marriage and get on with their lives. But there should also be a fair means for an aggrieved party to prove (key word) that the fault of the divorce falls on the other party. And I mean for clear, unequivocal reasons: adultery, abandonment, untreated drug abuse, untreated mental illness, catastrophic financial decisions that wreck the family, physical abuse, criminal activity, etc. Not just “because [he or she] is a [enter favorite epithet]!” And, yes, that fault if proven should play a decisive role in the division of marital assets. That’s fair.

 

I tend to agree but I think that just opens up a labyrinth of issues to dissect. Let's say there's a long time married couple and the wife decides she's never making love to the husband again, for whatever reason. After years of a sexless marriage, the husband decides to pay for a prostitute. Sure he's guilty of adultery, but it's not the same as him just banging his secretary while the wife is dutifuly home with the kids.

 

Hopefully, cases like that are rare, but if they can’t work out the dissolution in a no-fault way, then, yes, let a judge decide. In the mean time, advise your friend that he can have his physical needs coldly satisfied with nothing more than a personal computer. Way cheaper in the short term and the long, in his case. Ain’t the future great?

 

Makes perfect sense, in the abstract. In reality, you just create more strategic litigation than already exists to try to create that position with accusations, etc., which may be meritorious, but can also be employed strategically.

 

Don’t ever work in any field that requires risk assessment; materiality or statistical significance. To compare a population of 85 million(married women) to an issue that impacts 50 trans-women or 110k women in collegiate sports is dis-ingenuous or purposely/naturally mentally obtuse. One has nothing in common with the other and certainly the latter is significantly immaterial from a statistical perspective. But I get it; Tran-sexuals are unquestionably the most powerful humans on the planet; for their .5% population seems to have the skills to take down a country as powerful as the US. I like power; if I can have that kind of power maybe I’ll start taking hormones.

 

My parents divorced when I was a kid. It was tough for sure and should be a last resort IMO. But they put kids first and still get along. My dad also stayed very involved and they didn’t bad mouth each other. I don’t want to understate the impact of divorce, but a lot of it is how the parents handle it IMO.

Also, there is nothing easy about divorce as it is. Some men are freaking out because women are not as reliant on men as they used to be, and most divorces are initiated by women. I’ve read as much as 80% for college educated women. A lot of these guys are angry at women and using religion as a sword.

 

Then you just get into the ultimate unprovable he said she said. If alimony is on the line and all the lady has to say is I didn't withhold sex from my husband, there's little way to prove it.

I hate that a spouse can cheat on you and still get half, no questions asked. But I think trying to litigate the opposite is a fools errand.

 

I sorta said that.

 

That kid looking out the window to know when they need to shut down their life and hide because their abusive father is coming home?

 

Well, in the case you describe, I don’t think it’s much of a he-said/she-said. She accuses him of adultery. He says, yeah, I did, but she withheld sex. Judge says, I don’t really care if she did or not. Your option, if that was true, was a no-fault divorce. Now you’ve admitted in court that it was your fault. Pay the woman. Next case.

But there’s no point going down the infinite road of what-ifs. If I wanted to be a family court judge, then I would have made different decisions. The bottom line is that there are cases where the fault of a divorce is categorically the fault of one party. This is true even if the overwhelming majority of divorces can be fairly adjudicated in a no-fault way. For the former, they should have a fair expectation of justice, not a general attitude of “Oh, well, it’s too hard. We’ll just say your shiftless, unemployed husband didn’t gamble away the family business without your knowledge. Pay the man his spousal support.”