I don’t think anyone thinks Florida went from a great University System to defunct overnight. I think its safe to say Florida built up a great system which has now been derided as “woke” and broken by conservatives who have made recent moves that will ultimately hurt the system, perhaps irreversibly. But as usual… the right wing reaction is to take credit for what a liberal body has done and will now try to corrupt it like it has the legal system or representative districting etc…
for what low tuition was here when he started less debt is due to low tuition and bright futures- both here when he started high number of degrees in state is heavily influenced by college educated retirees with enough $$ to move to florida those are the three primary considerations that he had nothing to do with unless you want to credit him for not blowing up the tuition rates
well the assault began recently (after his re-election) and the results will take time (2 - 3 years) to manifest themselves other than the teacher vacancy rates which are already skyrocketing. No problem, give the money to private schools that don't require the same credentials for teachers and then blame the failures on the charter schools later.
the criteria is subjective. does low tuition and less debt increase the education level or just increase the ranking? do garbage degrees from mill diplomas really increase the education level or just the rankings? do retirees moving to florida with college degrees reflect the quality of our education system? different metrics- average sat score- Florid ranks 45th SAT Scores by State 2023 (worldpopulationreview.com) average act scores - florida ranks 17th Average ACT Score by State 2023 (worldpopulationreview.com)
from the article · Florida kids regress dramatically as they age in the system. Since 2003, Florida’s eighth grade rank as a state has never come close to its fourth grade rank on any NAEP test in any subject. · The size of Florida’s regression is dramatic and growing, especially in math. Florida’s overall average NAEP state rank regression between fourth and eighth grade since 2003 is 17 spots (math) and 18 spots (reading). But since 2015, the averages are 27 spots (math) and 19 spots (reading). · No other state comes close to Florida’s level of consistent fourth to eighth grade performance collapse. In the last three NAEP cycles — 2017, 2019 and COVID-delayed 2022 — Florida ranked sixth, fourth and third among states in fourth grade math. In those same years, Florida ranked 33th, 34th and tied for 31st in eighth grade.
NAEP data for k - 12, the drop between 4th and 8th grade is alarming Florida Overview FL (nationsreportcard.gov)
How can we possibly compare our data with data from other states? Standards and standardized tests? Change the metrics and ….. Yes, I’m trolling with this post.
Anyone who thinks this is or isn't the fault of DeSantis is basically looking at the first lap of the Indy 500 and declaring the victor. Whether you think what he is doing is going to lead to success or failure, we sure as shit aren't going to have the answer within a year of his changes. Good lord you people are something
I think this is one of these things where a single ranking just isn't universally meaningful. If you're a rock star student from a wealthy family, will you get the best education in Florida? No. We don't have the best high schools or the best colleges. A good high school graduation rate, for instance, helps our K-12 ranking, but doesn't mean anything to you, since you could sleepwalk your way to a diploma in any state in the country. And UF being relatively affordable also doesn't mean anything, since your family can easily pay MIT's tuition bill. But if you're a random middle-of-the-road student from an ordinary, middle-class family, are you better off in any other state, overall, than Florida? There's probably a good argument that you're not. You're very likely to graduate, will be reasonably well-equipped for college, and will have the option to go to a very affordable CC or State University. That's not bad, all things considered.
Florida is one of the most affordable states for higher education in the country. What in the Hell do you want? "More degreed individuals," that's really not necessarily a good idea. People talk about higher education as though it's this exclusive way of bettering yourself intellectually when what it really is for most people is either 1. One way to give yourself an edge professionally and in your career. 2. At the undergraduate level, 4 years of a great time. The latter goal is nice, but should by no means be a government priority (apart from lowering the drinking age), and the former goal is completely diluted when you make college so that everybody can go. "If everyone's special, nobody is." There are tons of ways to better yourself intellectually that do not involve a university or fancy letters next to your name. That is a nice guided byproduct of college, but anybody who spends tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars, that they don't have just to "educate yourself" with no return on investment in mind is an idiot.
Desantis' book bans just took effect in January with the new book lists from the DOE. Give it time folks. With that being said, for any positive news I give thanks to Joe Biden for his national leadership on education
I agree, and I think it's a bigger shame that educational officials betrayed their trust with parents to such a degree that policy is prompted which despite having good results, has collateral damage where school officials ban good books by good authors out of a sense of caution. When we're talking K-12, they sure as Hell needed more of a sense of caution.
