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RIP Canada: "Protect 2SLGBTQI+ Communities Act"

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gatorplank, May 2, 2023.

  1. BLING

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    The govt does have power over licensing though. Medical professionals generally must be licensed through the state govt and typically a Governor has a role in appointing members of the licensing board. This should be totally detached from politics and 100% about professional attributes, but as we saw with the state of FL Surgeon General nothing is sacrosanct.
     
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    Link??
     
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  3. Trickster

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    Is it okay if us "libbies" concern ourselves with the oppressive parts? I mean we went through this with Civil Rights and conservatives proclaiming what was "normalcy" and "culture".
     
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  4. pkaib01

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    I have never understood the steadfast dedication to protect the rights of the many to harass and discriminate the infringed few.
     
  5. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I think the real issue stems from majority of the films on porn are done by libbies starring libbies.
    Think it over.
     
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  6. Orange_and_Bluke

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    You think transgenders are on the same plain as blacks in the old days?
    Come on Trickster.
     
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  7. AzCatFan

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    Regardless of differences, I believe transgender have the right of equal protection under the law as any group, including African Americans. And given the history and current anti-trans rhetoric, and laws protecting gender discrimination, trans most certainly are a protected class.
     
  8. gatordavisl

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    I mean, you might have a point with the "offensive threats" phrase, but otherwise I say nonsense.
     
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  9. Orange_and_Bluke

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    It is quite different than civil rights issues with blacks though.
    Trans can be protected but it can be very dangerous to always do so.
    They can be protected but how will we ever look past circumstances such as a man in a skirt using the locker room and bathroom with my daughter.
    It’s a big deal for me.
     
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  10. tilly

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    That's the point man. Lol.
    Let me put this in your terms. Imagine if you got fined for the "hate" speech aimed at people of faith and republicans and conservatives and states etc etc that you spew.
     
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  12. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Apparently the applicant for lifeguard was a girl who now wants to be a dude.
    During an exercise with 20 others, this person removed their shirt like a guy would, but he still has boobies.
    If this dude/ gal was hired it would have been quite the popular spot for adolescent boys.
    I mean how long until the libbies admit they’ve got a hold of a seriously bad idea.
     
  13. pkaib01

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    It is so like you to include a whataboutism involving another country, different groups of different sizes and different types of speech to distract from the actual issue. And you throw in a person attack as well.

    Get back to me when Republicans and conservatives become marginalized groups.
     
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  14. g8trjax

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    Some marginalized are more equal than others.
     
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  15. AzCatFan

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    Do you protect homosexuals all the time then? Because a lesbian in the locker room is probably more interested in your daughter than a trans person. And wasn't there a portion of the US public that considered African Americans to be animals, and the mixing of races would be harmful?

    Protections are for groups. If individuals do something to your daughter in a locker room, that's on the individual, and not indicative of the entire group. The individual is the one that should be punished, and not the entire group.
     
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  16. gatorplank

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    It is not a secret that Fact Check websites are not exactly unbiased third parties. "Who fact checks the fact checkers?" is kind of like the question of "Who polices the police?" It is like the fox guarding the hen house. You have to be skeptical of fact check websites. A lot of them have a team and a side they are working for, and what they are really created for is discrediting the other side. Both sides can be guilty of over trusting their sources, getting one side of the story, and even blatantly distorting the truth...I will admit that I have over trusted sources and I have only gotten one side of the story before. I have overlooked important sources before. I have not blatantly distorted the truth, though. That is not something that I do. So, fact check websites can do good work. However, fact check websites also can be found guilty of playing for their team. They'll spin truth that is damaging for their team. They can try to write articles that will make you question or discredit something they don't want you to believe. So, having a link to a fact check website is not always a slam dunk. You have to take all of the sources collectively...listen to both sides and distill and draw your conclusions from all of them. Both sides can fail to do this.

    The idea that saying there are only two genders can be punished by this law is something that is deduced from the language in the bill. So, that is why the OP does not need to be retracted in totality. I quoted the relevant sections of the bill earlier in the thread and broke it down. You can disagree with my opinion. The law punishes hate speech, offensive language, hateful propaganda, homophobia, and transphobia...and you are counting on the state to interpret what those things are. There are people who would categorize the statement that there only two genders as all of the above.

    Now these rules apply in zones designated by the attorney general, but that is banning free speech in zones set up the by the government. That is a dangerous precedent. It is the slow gradual encroachment of government on the freedoms of the citizen. It is a gradual step in the direction of overthrowing free speech in general. Often times, the places where truth is banned are the places where that truth needs to be spoken the most. These things can create a culture of intimidation for non-conformers. It creates a culture where fear of even expressing opposition to certain ways of thinking is justified. Playing down this bill as if it is not a big deal because the government is only enforcing it in designated zones is naive IMO, but you are free to believe that if you want.

    Nonetheless, I was mistaken on the bill being passed, which was an honest mistake I made based on the ambiguity of the sources I read. They weren't clear. I did go back and change the language on the bill passing to the bill being put forward.

    Too Hot is a place to discuss news. Synthesizing the truth from all the sources can be a complex task. That is one of the reasons I have enjoyed Too Hot. You get to hear both sides. And then your opinion evolves a little bit maybe.

    Canada putting forward a bill criminalizing free speech in certain instances and with punishments that are more severe than cumulative punishment received by 3 time child porn possession repeat offenders seemed like something worth discussing on Too Hot IMO. Usually, things that happen in Canada are upstream from where we are at. Canada is a leading indicator of what might happen in the future of American politics. So, it is fair game to discuss these things IMO.
     
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  17. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I think you are making good points and why it’s not as easy to protect this group.
    Do you think women are as dangerous in general as men are to society? The numbers are clear that men are overwhelmingly more dangerous creatures than women. Lesbians are not men. The risk of an attack or inappropriate behavior toward my daughter or others is much, much smaller from a lesbian than compared to a man who turned into a woman.
     
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  18. AzCatFan

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    So it's ok to discriminate based on gender? Or, should we start with the premise of equal protection under the law, and punish only the individuals who break it?
     
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    Most fact checking websites cite original sources and documents, usually numerous sources, I.e they have the receipts. A lot of times the conspiracy theory stuff is easily debunked because it’s both false AND recycled. Years ago, there were conservative posters who used to (bizarrely) love posting stuff from chain emails, and so often they would really just be posting fake news that was both like 5 years old and false. That was always low hanging fruit for a fact checking site, as usually those same fake newz chain emails would get recycled. Nowadays the “chain email” has been replaced by memes.

    If there is bias, I could buy that there could be bias in terms of how often they fact check one politician or group and they sometimes ignore false claims by others. (for example a fact checker on Donald Trump would be more than a full time job so instead of just looking at “bias”, one must also consider it could be the volume of lies that is asymmetrical). But as they generally bring receipts, I doubt you would be able to refute many of the actual fact checks themselves as inaccurate.
     
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  20. Gator40

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    But yet the absolute large majority of those who offend are straight males. Not trans males. It is much, much smaller as you say. Pretty much nonexistent actually.

    And straight males are not dressing as females to see your daughter in the locker room. They are the ones setting up hidden cameras to watch them.