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100 year old woman provides a dose of reality on book bannings

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by jjgator55, Mar 25, 2023.

  1. Gator715

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    In other words, they're not banned. Parents can still raise their kids however they want and kids can still read pretty much whatever they want at their parents' discretion. All that's changed is schools have more of an anchor as to what THEY can offer children.

    As is yours. And nothing regarding who sets the curriculum has changed. Yet here you are crying "Nazi."
     
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  2. QGator2414

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    A public library is far different than an elementary school library. A high school library is far different than an elementary school library. A middle school library is far different than an elementary school library.

    You know this. Just like you know the OP is disingenuous. This is all about creating a narrative that is not there. Books are not being banned.
     
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  3. jjgator55

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    Oh for Pete’s sake. You’re arguing over the use of words that mean the same thing.

    Library Guides: Banned Books Week Library Guide: Defining Banned/Challenged Books
    “A banning is the removal of those materials.”
     
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  4. jjgator55

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    By their standards the Holy Bible must be banned.
     
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  5. Gator715

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    I'll ask again, "from where?"

    There are certain places where alcohol and smoking are prohibited, do we pretend like people can't access alcohol or smoking? No because that's stupid.
     
  6. jjgator55

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    You’re reducing the discussion to an absurdity and then trying to argue the absurdity.

    Alcohol is banned from schools for obvious reasons just like smoking is banned in hospitals. How is a book sitting in a school library describing social injustice affecting anyone outside of informing them.
     
  7. QGator2414

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    This is hilarious. Are you and @coleg (giving your post a fist bump thanks) so obtuse that you can’t see you posted an OP using a liberal progressive site (the young Turks) using 100 year old lady to push a false narrative. While I use the local newspaper (TC Palm/Treasure Coast Newspapers) to show your narrative is disingenuous.

    It would be funny if not so ignorant and obtuse.
     
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  8. jjgator55

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    Hey folks Q’s new word of the day is “Obtuse.”
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  9. Gator715

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    Okay. So can kids bring some of these "banned" books with them to school or is this "ban" only regarding what the school provides?

    Yeah, because we have "good reasons" for those. Just like "professionals" have "good reasons" for "removing" age inappropriate books from school libraries. But God forbid Ron DeSantis does it... LITERALLY HITLER BANNING BOOKS!!!
     
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  10. Gator715

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    You cited the Young Turks, then implied he's the one who reads in a bubble.

    That is a complete clown move.
     
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  11. GatorRade

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    Certainly, but there were already different collections of books in those different libraries before these books were removed, so if the goal was to differentiate these libraries, these removals were completely unnecessary.

    Instead, what you must actually be arguing is that these removals made the collections more appropriate, but that just brings us back to my first question: how do we best decide what books are appropriate? If a book is deemed appropriate by your lights but not mine, what should we do? Why of all the books that could be added to or removed from any library were these new removals the exact right ones?
     
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  12. jjgator55

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    You’re lying.
     
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  13. jjgator55

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    You literally do not have a clue. You leave me with no other options.

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  14. Gator715

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    JJ accused me of lying then put me on ignore. :D

    It's a shame, I would've loved to hear an explanation of exactly how I was lying. Was it the Young Turks part or the bubble part?
     
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    Well when you accuse another of doing something they are not. And you are the one doing it. You would be obtuse.
     
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  16. QGator2414

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    Let the local school districts determine it. If the people don’t like how it is being handled they can vote in new leadership.
     
  17. coleg

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    What is the "age appropriate" cut-off for Hank Aaron and Jackie Robinson autobiographies that got them banned?
     
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    Your argument is silly. There are certain things that you can't buy with food stamps. It doesn't mean the government has banned them. It just means the government isn't picking up the tab for it. You've got to pay your own tab if you want to buy those things. It is the same exact concept except we are talking books not food.

    Cry me a river that an innocent little kid can't pick up a book in a library that is written with the express purpose of conceiving gender confusion in children. Cry me a river about how the Nazis are coming to get you. I wonder if you would be making the same argument if Neo-Nazi authors were allowed to put their children's books in the library at your child's school.

    If you want to make an application to Nazis that is historically accurate, then we could have the conversation about how Nazis infused their ideology into the school curriculum. I don't think you are really interested in having an honest conversation about the groups who are infusing their ideology into school curriculums, and the politicians who are taking measures to stop them.
     
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  19. coleg

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    Can poster give us title of this book that was removed from a Fl public school library since it would now be banned ? Or this this "in general" ?
     
  20. GatorRade

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    It seems to me that maximum choice is always desired, so our best option would be parent choice, followed by local school district choice. Pushing this decision for parents upward to districts has a downside, as it forces us into voting trade offs. Eg if a candidate shares my views on book removals, but is opposed to my views on humanities curriculum, I will have to sacrifice regardless of my choice.

    But if you agree to the districts deciding, it would mean you would be fine if the district decides to reinstate these books or even expand the catalogue. It also means you would oppose the state interfering with local decisions.