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Somebody needs to check on Kid Rock - meltdown re: trans influencer

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by mrhansduck, Apr 4, 2023.

  1. G8tas

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    The biggest complainers of cancel culture are also the biggest proponents of cancel culture
     
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  2. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Let’s face the facts…some culture is better than others.
     
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    I agree with Kevin Drum about AB’s “mistakes”


    The only thing Anheuser-Busch and its VP of marketing failed to anticipate was the sheer vile and malevolence that animates the conservative movement these days. Doing a promotion with a trans woman hurts no one and violates no conservative principles. Dylan Mulvaney is not a child. She doesn't want to compete on a women's track team. She has no ideological message. Her Instagram video was entirely lighthearted and free of political content.

    She's just an adult who wants to be left free to live her life. But that alone was enough to enrage the conservative movement into sputtering incoherence. The rabid hate that motivates this is beyond appalling.

    My only disagreement with KD is in calling trans hatred a Right Wing phenomenon. Rabid irrational trans hatred is fully bipartisan. The NYT just “asks” questions, about 25,000 words’ worth, about a very limited issue, amplifying and legitimizing disinformation. Legislatures across the country prioritize legislation to prevent nonoccurrences of theoretical possibility while dreaming of violent humiliations to compensate for inadequacies.

    It’s a shameful time of moral panic.
     
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    I’ll see your 7.1 and raise it to 8.5. Oyster City Hooter Brown. Brewed in Apalachicola with a touch of local Tupelo honey. My current fav with crunchy crust all meat pizza.
     
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    Noting that the "sources" in the link are from posts on social media primarily from people posting under screen names. This is from the Harvard School of Public Health.
    Mental health benefits associated with gender-affirming surgery | News | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    And this is from the NIH.
    Effects of Gender Reassignment on Quality of Life and Mental Health in People with Gender Dysphoria - PubMed
    One more, this from the American Psychiatric Association.
    Study Finds Long-Term Mental Health Benefits of Gender-Affirming Surgery for Transgender Individual

    I'm not suggesting that there aren't cases of regret but they tend to be the rare exception rather than the norm.
     
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    Politically speaking, this “moral panic” is overwhelmingly a right wing phenomenon. Nothing is 100%, but it’s extremely asymmetrical.

    As to Annheiser-Busch, it’s always a risk to branch out to different audiences. My guess is they didn’t intend for it to go viral to right wingers or to “alienate” anyone, but with right wing politics being on the “lookout” for such issues it inadvertently went viral in the wrong direction. Same people who complain incessantly about LGBTQ issues getting rubbed in their faces, follow along with LibsOfTikTok to get their daily dose of the most extreme examples.
     
  9. duggers_dad

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    Squirrel tactic.
     
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    Scientists followed 139 gender dysphoric boys from 1989-2002 and found that 88% of boys outgrow gender dysphoria by age 20 when left the Fk alone.
     
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    And my guess is that virtually none of them underwent irreversible surgical procedures. If they were treated by competent medical professionals any medical intervention would have been limited to puberty blockers the effects of which are generally considered reversible although there is some speculation that they could have an impact on bone density.
     
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    I haven't studied if the use of puberty blockers is reversible. But I was interested to learn that they have been used for decades to treat precocious puberty, whereby kids begin puberty at younger ages. Seems like if they caused permanent developmental problems, they would not have been accepted and used for that condition?
     
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    Studies and surveys commonly cited to prove that regret after transition (GAT) for gender dysphoria is exceedingly rare remarkably often demonstrate the same fatal flaws:

    • Impressively high rates of loss to follow up, from over 20 percent to over 60 percent, which invalidate the findings.[1] Were those lost patients helped, hurt or even still alive?[2]
    • Exceedingly strict definitions for regret, e.g. requiring formal application to change their legal documents back to the original sex.[3]
    • Insufficient periods of follow up, usually only six months to two years post-transition, despite the existing evidence that post-surgical regret is known to manifest eight years or so post-transition.[4],[5]
    • Sampling usually taken from gender clinics, to which those with regret repeatedly report they do not return. Dr. Littman’s 2021 survey of 100 detransitioners found that only 24 percent had informed their clinician of their detransition, thus 76 percent did not.[6]
    • Data is gleaned from in-house satisfaction surveys lacking clear and uniform definitions, metrics and follow up. This low-quality data then gets pooled to create low quality, unreliable results.

    • Regretting Transition for Gender Dysphoria – Christian Medical & Dental Associations® (CMDA)
     
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  17. oragator1

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    The reaction really has been crazy, they are still seeing a big sales drop.
    All over a single commercial through a a channel they never would have seen had it not been publicized. None of them would have been Dylan followers on social media. The campaign was a mistake, but the reaction over a single targeted ad is nuts.
     
  18. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Don’t know why, but it’s clear from your posts that you are a huge proponent of the trans people movement.
    You only see one side of the issue.
     
  19. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Your mind is closed.
     
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  20. antny1

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    People are suckers for emotion. Objective reporting is rare so objective reactions are as well. I do think while much of what's driving it is anger/bigotry, I also agree with whoever brought up the point that many actually accept transgender people while not "celebrating" it but they aren't the ones taking part in the overreaction.

    Personally speaking, if I go to get a crappy but easy drinking lite beer and I have to choose a can that has DM vs a plain can of another brand I'm taking the other brand all day. It's not a boycott of the company. Same thing goes if it had an fsu logo on it although I can actually say I hate FSU.
     
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